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  1. chdot
    Admin

    I'm sure most people on here are well aware of the health benefits of cycling - mental health included.

    SAMH (Scottish Association for Mental Health) already has Chris Hoy as its "Ambassador" and added Graeme Obree and Ruby Wax to "launch a £1million fund-raising target to help SAMH raise money for essential community projects".

    Not sure if Ms. Wax is normally a bicycle person, certainly she doesn't seem familiar with helmets!

    The photocall at Celtic Park got good press coverage - including The Scottish Sun and a short video on TalkTalk News (worth watching for some insights about MH with comments from the three riders).

    Posted 14 years ago #
  2. Min
    Member

    "certainly she doesn't seem familiar with helmets!"

    INCOMING!!!!!!!!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  3. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I'm really not that concerned whether Ms Wax prefers a polystyrene hat or not, but to show the badly fitted wearing of one suggests to me that the organisers of the photocall were more concerned with the requirement for them to be shown to be used, than any real concern of correctness.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  4. Dave
    Member

    Nobody's ever been blamed for not wearing a helmet properly - it's the spirit of the thing that is significant. (Anyone else pick up on the FAI into Jason MacIntyre's death which accepted the medical evidence that a helmet could have made no difference, and went on to recommend that everybody wears a helmet?)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    "Nobody's ever been blamed for not wearing a helmet properly"

    Don't think that's entirely true.

    There is too much 'unawareness' about the point of fitting a helmet properly (and how to do it).

    Posted 14 years ago #
  6. Kim
    Member

    I frequently see people who don't know how to wearing a helmet properly, the irony is that if they do fall and hit their head, they are more at risk of head injury then if they hadn't bother with the thing in the first place. But then helmets are really about fashion not safety.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  7. Dave
    Member

    There is too much 'unawareness' about the point of fitting a helmet properly (and how to do it).

    I completely agree with that. However, the point I was trying to make is not that helmet fitting is irrelevant - in fact it's more important than any other concern - but that society as a whole, and even cyclists as a group, rate the wearing of a helmet as the important thing, not so much whether it will do any good.

    Consider that modern helmets are designed down to a weaker standard than the old (Snell) one, to make them cheaper to produce. And even the Snell one was only intended to protect from a low speed (12mph) impact, involving no other vehicle.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  8. steveo
    Member

    I've been trying hard to ignore the helmet things but here we go again...

    The 12mph impact rating is not your forward velocity but the closing velocity between your head and the ground. In other words its the force with which your head can be expected to accelerate in a horizontal direction from the starting position above your shoulders roughly between your handle bars and the saddle above the top tube and the end position the ground. I've not done the maths but to accelerate to about 5.5 m/s in earth's gravity would need you to be about 2.5 meters from the ground, assuming a constant g of 10 m/s per second. So a very tall person might just exceed the rating a dude on a recumbent would have to be doing some thing very wrong.

    Your forward velocity is largely irrelevant as you will loose that energy through friction once you've done your vertical deceleration, with your head and the rest of your body skidding across the ground.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. Kim
    Member

    I not so sure that modern helmets are designed down to a weaker standard, to make them cheaper. No it is because the racing crowd want helmets that were more comfortable, with better air flow so that they didn't over heat (i.e. cook their brains).

    The total cost of design, manufacture, packaging, distribution and advertising (by the manufactures and wholesalers) is less than £2.50 per unit (this was something which I managed to dig up on a pro helmet website). The materials used to make cycle helmets, they are all pretty the same thing. The material costs are very low. The biggest cost is the tooling for the injection moulding this is much the same for an expensive one as a cheap one, so the incentive is to go for volume.

    This really get to the heart of the whole helmet thing, helmets are not really about safety, they are about fashion. There are two ways in which helmets are sold, one is by getting pro cyclist to wear them and the other is by frightening people.

    When you look at the marketing none of the manufactures or wholesalers talks about safety in their direct marketing strategy. Why? Simple, they don't want to be sued. No they talk about design and show pictures of racing cyclist. The Pro Cyclists wear helmets because they are paid to, but the older Snell ones are heavier and poorly ventilated. As the Pro Cyclists are racing they are to happy about wearing them. Not a problem for the manufactures as they can sell lids at a higher price to the boy racer wantabies.

    Then there is the fear selling technique, this is all done at arms length, the manufactures and wholesalers don't want the situation where someone makes claim against them if the helmet fails to protect a loved one against serious head injury. So they use lobbyists and PR people to put out the story to those who don't question the "science" too closely. How often to you see the claims that helmets reduce head injuries by 85%? It is regularly trotted out, but only one paper has ever claimed a figure that high (Thompson, Rivara & Thompson 1989) and in the succeeding 20 years the methodology used in that paper has been total discredited. Even the original authors have been unable to replicate that result in subsequent studies (1996 & 2000).

    Let look at the speed of 12 mph, that is about the average running speed of a top marathon runner, how come one suggest they should wear a helmet is case they trip? And what about Usain Bolt, at peak speed he can hit 30 mph, how come he it not required to has head protection in case he trips??

    Most fit adult humans can achieve speeds of over 20 mph when running flat out. Through most of our evolution over the last 700,000 year, humans have been ambush predators running down game. So why in the last 20 years have our skulls suddenly thinned to egg shells? Is this some strange side affect of DDT which science hasn't picked up? Why is it in the past five years human children have suddenly started to need helmets to protect them while they lean to walk? After all humans have only been walking up right for about 3 million year without protection.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  10. steveo
    Member

    Arrrghhh. The 12mph speed rating is not your forward velocity its your vertical velocity vf has almost no bearing on the calculation.

    Perhaps wiki can explain better
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_helmet#Standards_testing

    Also when you fall walking or running you have far more time to brace your self properly also we have had 700,000 years to get good at falling from our feet. The fall pattern is different the forces involved are different and the way your body hits the ground is different.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    Hmm... surely the forces involved are the same (since it's down to vertical velocity, which is gravity-induced only). In fact as my head is higher when I'm on foot than on the bike, you could then argue that the maximum force of a head impact from the bike must necessarily be lower - by a small margin - than on foot.

    Also, at fairly similar heights, the time taken to hit the ground will necessarily be the same (else by definition, you'd be going faster?) so the time available for bracing/adapting to the fall must be the same in either mode.

    I'm genuinely not sure whether I agree with the idea that evolution has equipped us to fall out of trees etc. etc. but not from a bike. Certainly I fall mountain biking all the time (often a couple of times a trip) and so far I've managed to avoid ever needing a helmet. I wear one for the obvious reason that when you fall off on rough ground twice a day, it's worth hedging your bets, but still.

    At the end of the day we can argue ad infinitum about the mechanics but when we observe population-level data about before/after helmet intervention, head injuries have never been shown to fall despite big increases in helmet use. There's probably a Nobel in it for the team who can demonstrate why this is the case.

    This is why it's so frustrating that real issues (speed limits, careless driving, cycle training, street infrastructure) are all made subservient to a piece of foam. It's not really the helmet that is being objected to so much as the culture of fear, victim-blaming, and avoidance of the real issues that results.

    You can have a culture where many people cycle, or you can have a culture where you ride in high viz/helmets, but they are mutually exclusive.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  12. Kim
    Member

    "You can have a culture where many people cycle, or you can have a culture where you ride in high viz/helmets, but they are mutually exclusive."

    There in is the truth of the matter.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  13. spytfyre
    Member

    I can safely say I felt like mince this morning, anxiety for no reason whatsoever, noticed after my cycle along the water of leith through the sunshine through the trees that I was calm and collected by the time I got off the bike. Nuff said

    Posted 14 years ago #
  14. steveo
    Member

    "This is why it's so frustrating that real issues (speed limits, careless driving, cycle training, street infrastructure) are all made subservient to a piece of foam. It's not really the helmet that is being objected to so much as the culture of fear, victim-blaming, and avoidance of the real issues that results. "

    Hear hear.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    "The City of Edinburgh Council is currently consulting on an open spaces strategy for the city and has invested quite a bit of cash and effort into upgrading and improving parks and open spaces. This is all most welcome as there is a growing realisation that greenspace is vital for health and wellbeing.

    But there are growing signs that others are coveting Edinburgh's green spaces for far less noble ends. Commercial events are increasingly drawn to Edinburgh by its international reputation and historic backdrops - ideal for TV and promotion. Pressure on the Meadows in particular led the Council to develop an events strategy for Edinburgh's Parks to try and provide guidance on when, where and how parks should be used for various types of events."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/2010/may/20/taste-edinburgh-festival-land-rights-law-access

    Posted 14 years ago #
  16. Dave
    Member

    Dearie me. £3000 for a quarter of Inverleith for half a month? You can charge that much for a single flat in the town centre come festival time!

    It's not too suprising that they haven't got the right legal paperwork to close the park, but surely they will just get a section 11 order next time - it's hardly addressing the underlying cause.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    "Young more lonely than the old, UK survey suggests"

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8701763.stm

    Posted 14 years ago #
  18. spytfyre
    Member

    I do have some sympathy for the friends of the Meadows people who get weary of the mud bath that is left behind by the big top
    It does stun me how many years we need to see the Ladyboys of Bangkok in a row. I get tired of seeing the posters from previous years that nobody bothers to take down (Bruntsfield Links lamp posts stick in my memory here)

    But I rather fear this thread has strayed off topic and I haven't helped...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    "
    The researchers said their findings indicated that programmes that help children develop skills such as self-reliance and teamwork, and encourage being active outdoors, may have lifelong benefits.

    "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37923133

    Posted 8 years ago #

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