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Train companies that aren't Scotrail (for cyclists)

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  • Started 12 years ago by kaputnik
  • Latest reply from sallyhinch

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  1. kaputnik
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    First Capital Connect, Stevenage to Cambridge.

    4 car train with no racks / seat-free space for a bike. Restricted vestibule width that can't accommodate a full-size bike without it being wedged in at a funny angle and protruding into aisle. Lashed myself up a parking-brake as above so I could sit down near the bike, jumping up now and again to move sides from platform being on left or right of train.

    1/10 only for there being no staff on the train to give a t*ss about me probably being in breach of some sort of elves and safety regulations

    CrossCountry, Cambridge to Peterborough

    3-car Turbostar (you'll be familiar with these if you do the Edinburgh to Glasgow or Aberdeen run) masquerading as a semi-express train on between London and Birmingham (via Peterborough).

    Signs on platform and display board were for "reserved bikes only" and as I had a reservation for both bike and seat I was pretty optimistic. When the train arrived, somehow 3 other studenty-looking types appeared with bikes, 1 of whom disappeared into the vestibule at far end of train, the other 2 managed to get on ahead of me at the door with the bike sticker in it. The "bike space", had no rack, although the fittings were there for it, it had been removed and just the vertical portion remained. In its place was a pushchair.

    I don't know if there's normally a larger train, but it was rammed full of huge bits of luggage everywhere, including 3/4 of the floor space in the vestibule.

    I ended up standing in the vestibule with my bike at a jaunty angle , blatantly blocking the aisle. When the guard came along, she scolded the other cyclists for not having reservations, pointing out they were free to make and there wasn't room for the bikes, but didn't turf them off. She quoted "health and safety" legislation at the others, which was rather jobsworth of her considering how happy she was to (literally) climb over the luggage blocking aisle and vestibule and that the First Capital Connect service was happy to take as many bikes as you could cram into the vestibules, without officially taking any!

    Nobody had the heart (or could be bothered) to turf the not-disabled people out of the disabled space, where the pram could have been, so we could have at least stacked the bikes in the empty floor space that was meant to be - on paper - for bikes

    -2/10 for creating pointless regulations that they aren't willing to enforce and claiming to provide a bike space that didn't infact exist.

    East Coast, Edinburgh - Stevenage / Peterborough - Edinburgh (Glasgow Train)
    As always, East Coast were pretty good (so long as you've booked and aren't taking a non-regulation bike along). Platform staff are nearly always super-efficient at approaching anyone looking like they might have a bike with them to check if they've reserved (I've been asked for my reservations at least twice when I'm only meeting someone off the train, but happen to be in my cycling togs) which is useful as the HST trains and the Mark IV trains are both very long and have bike compartments at the complete opposite ends from eachother, so you need to know which end of the platform to be at and it isn't always predicable.*

    This was also my first experience of putting the bike on and taking it off at intermediate stops. Getting on at Peterborough, the guard even lashed the thing onto the rack for me so I could begin the long walk from the luggage van to the quiet coach, across 300-odd metres of body and luggage-strewn overcrowded train.
    On both occasions I took precaution of walking the length of the train to get off at the door nearest the luggage van when it was my stop - nobody ever tells you to do that when you put your bike on, although both guards were ready and waiting at the relevant station to let me get in and get the bike off.

    7/10 - points off for making booking a reservation on the website much more complicated and stressful than it needs be.

    * - I've never seen quite so much chaos at a train station as when the East Coast train from London to Aberdeen pulled in to Waverley back to front (it had done what should be impossible for a train and managed a U-turn near Doncaster due to fault windscreen wiper at the driving end). This caused an omni-directional stampede as those waiting for first-class and to put bikes on tried to get to one end of the platform and those waiting for Stella Artois-class tried to simultaneously do the opposite on one of the narrowed-by-renovation platforms.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. Darkerside
    Member

    Seems mildly unfair to dock points from East Coast for a slightly tricky website when they're still one of only two TOCs that offer the functionality at all...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Arellcat
    Moderator

    On both occasions I took precaution of walking the length of the train to get off at the door nearest the luggage van when it was my stop

    Given that every minute a train is delayed at a station costs in the region of £200, when I'm taking my bike onboard I tend to do likewise. In fact I often jump on before I reach my (usually quiet) coach too, as my bike is now on the train and I'm still on the platform.

    0/10 to Virgin Trains when I caught the EUS-BHM service at BHI/SECC and found the door to the cycle space locked, and no platform staff to wave my booking at. Fortunately I had my folding bike and was able to sit in the vestibule for the few miles to Mordor Central.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    On both occasions I took precaution of walking the length of the train to get off at the door nearest the luggage van when it was my stop - nobody ever tells you to do that when you put your bike on, although both guards were ready and waiting at the relevant station to let me get in and get the bike off.

    On the occasions when I've used East Coast, the guard has specificaly told me to be in the (first class) carriage next to the guard's van when disembarking. I suppose they want to save any delay due to bikes being unloaded...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @darkerside mildly, perhaps, but ive never found "at least we're not as bad as the other guy" *that* worthy of merit in such circumstances. The website offers a bare minimum of functionality, almost grudgingly, and you only find out availability at the end of the transaction, and if there isnt any, you dont even get to go back, you have to start a whole new search and transaction. Also, it denies you a "print at home" option if you have a bike (cyclists are forgers and not to be trusted!).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @crowriver I suppose as ive always got off at the terminus station, perhaps such warnings haven't been that necessary on previous trips

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    The GNER website is slightly cumbersome - they introduced bike booking. - has been rebranded twice, but I suspect the backend is mostly the same.

    Never had any problem with booking bikes except the last time when no bike tickets got printed at Waverley. Fortunately this was some weeks before I was travelling and the advance booking counter was quiet.

    It does help to get on and off at 'terminals' but not all trains from KC finish at Waverley, though there is usually a 10 min stop.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. steveo
    Member

    KC

    I think you mean KGX. Its vitally important to know your station codes :D

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @Steveo he possibly also means "East Coast" ;)

    @chdot I've also been caught out by non-printing reservations that I've been 99.999999% sure were made (I had the matching return reservation, why would I only book a bike in the return direction?) and had to talk my way onto the train with a grudging, curmudgeonly guard (who, in his defence, did ultimately let me on). That's what irks me about the inability to print your own ticket at home - you at least have some forewarning then to try make another reservation. If you arrive at station 20 minutes before travel to collect your tickets and it doesn't print, you're on your own

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. PS
    Member

    With terminal stations just watch out if the train is late. I had an unpleasant experience on a First Trans-Pennine Express service which terminated in Waverley but was running something like 40 minutes late.

    As ever with these things, my reserved seat was in the carriage at the opposite end of the train to the bike storage and I made the mistake of waiting for the train to stop before heading to the bikes. Being nicely brought up and all that, I let the returning-from-Manchester-Airport folk get their mahoosive suitcases past the bike before going to unlock it. At which point, with only me left on the train I hear the guard on the platform blow his whistle to tell the driver to depart.

    Cue a frenzy of door opening, shouting at guard, him shouting back, panniers, lock and bike launched onto the platform, and me swearing never to use TPE again (a promise I will break in due course as the options are a bit limited).

    It's every man for himself on the UK's railways...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "

    KC

    I think you mean KGX. Its vitally important to know your station codes :D

    "

    Nope I deliberately used KC in this context. I do know kgx + edb + glq + a few others - and only use train apps that do too! There are people on CCE who know LOTS of station codes...

    "he possibly also means "East Coast" "

    Nope again. GNER was correct in context (above) PLUS I only need to put those 4 letters into my browser and it automatically goes to ec site!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    @PS, clearly you are far too laid back and polite to survive on our railway network.

    Years of mixed mode commuting have taught me to be well prepared for disembarkation. If possible I prefer to be ready, bike in vestibule, hand hovering over the 'open door' button before the folk with mahoosive cases/holdalls have even risen from their seats...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    me swearing never to use TPE

    Quite, so long as you don't want to go anywhere that only they can take you from Edinburgh.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. amir
    Member

    I'm looking for top tips.

    My OH and I are doing our first tour together unsupported in the Netherlands. We're going by train to Newcastle then catching the ferry.

    After some anticipated panic and chaos in getting the cycle reservations we've now booked everything.

    The main concern is having enough time to get onto and off the train. Only I am strong enough really to carry my OH's bike - it's a e-bike so 22kg. Plus we will have panniers etc. On the way out we will go on the Eskbank train that is an hour earlier than needed, in part because it's a gamble as to whether there will be space on the train for our bikes (often there's barely space for people standing).

    So tips welcome.

    Also do we really have to carry u locks to the Netherlands?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. amir
    Member

    BTW the southward bound train is LNER, the return is cross country

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. unhurt
    Member

    Newcastle to ferry - make sure you leave plenty of time to cycle out to the ferry. It's an easy ride but a few bits are poorly signed where you could go astray. There's a light rail link but unhelpfully the part that runs out to the ferry doesn't allow bikes!

    Ditto on the return leg - I thought I'd left plenty of time the other year, but the passport control vehicle line (in which bikes must also wait) was amazingly slow, so I missed the train that I'd a bike (and seat) reservation on. Had to sit on the floor between carriages. Humph!

    I took a small u-lock and a cable extender. Mostly paranoia/to satisfy the terms of my insurance as I was out in small towns (and in Utrecht I put my bike in an underground bike car park!). I do like to be able to secure the bike in campsites if I go off for a wander...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. LaidBack
    Member

    Cross Country have hanging bike spaces. Voyagers also have a luggage room area with shelfing. I have seen bikes there but more likely you will use a 'double wardrobe' space. Solo one is tight.
    LNER electric trains keep bikes on the level but take bungees maybe.
    HSTs have hanging racks - this is awkward for the trending e-bike sector (see Scotrail thread).

    Posted 5 years ago #
  18. amir
    Member

    Many thanks unhurt and Laidback

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. sallyhinch
    Member

    Queuing up for the Newcastle ferry with some Dutch cyclists a couple of years ago, one of them asked us why UK cyclists don't have locks on their bikes. We laughed and pulled our big u-locks out of our panniers. They laughed and pointed to their wheel locks.

    Our experience of Amsterdam is that you will struggle to find anything to lock your bike to (at least when parking up during the day), so a kickstand is helpful, and then a u-lock through the back wheel and frame to immobilise it

    Posted 5 years ago #

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