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  1. gembo
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    started on the hood string which veered into pros and cons of Mr Freewheelin and then a general mulling of how a shop survives if owner doesn't like the public or has an attitude. I posted way back about Peem Brewster in Dundee (father of DUFC hero Craig Brewster). Peem was not keen on disloyalty and did not like people buying parts from catalogues (no internet then) but particularly anti-Nicholsons the other shop (still there). On the camber, you can build up a personality that brings masochistic customers in to be insulted, but your business would also need to be robust to cope as not so many masochists out there.

    There is a fantastic scene in the WC Fields movie It's A Gift where W.C. finds himself looking after his friend's shop for the day. The camera tracks out the shop through the front window across the street to a blind man coming out of his house. W.C. clocks him but is very busy with customers so he starts shouting at his assistants Open THe DOor For The Blind MAn, Open the door for the blind man. They can't work out what he means, goes on and on til; the blind man smashes through the closed glass door with his stick. Check it out, hopefully on Youtube somewhere, it is very funny. I also cite Black Books where Bernard Black has an interesting approach to his customers.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    obtuse? ornery more like

    in my experience you have to either be very good at what you do, or have a serious monopoly to run a business along these principles. one of the reasons I have a lot of respect for those in retail trade, but would never want to do it myself.

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  3. gembo
    Member

    Must be some other factor to explain why Mr Freewheelin keeps going. He is good but as you can see from previous, very happy to argue toss with you and lose custom. He has no great monopoly but is the only bike shop on the A70/A71 heading west until MidCalder so could be a factor. I think he has a niche or an angle, I know he runs Christmas Club type deals so that could help. I will use him occasionally but my first love is and always will be The Bike Chain.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. spytfyre
    Member

    Well I like the guy, imho he's open honest and can be a great laugh. Sure I got a jibe of too because the bike I bought from Alpine didn't have a suitable seat post clamp (don't get me started) and it being sold not safe to ride, however he happily got it safe enough to ride and sent me back to Alpine to request a replacment clamp (which they did).
    Since then I have been back for the odd inner tube, a few wall hooks for bikes, a bike seat for our son and had no issues.
    Sounds like someone on here has had an ego clash with him.

    Also I don't see the point in comparing real life experiences to mvies or Black Books (no matter how amusing it be)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. recombodna
    Member

    No ego clash to see here. He just gave me information that was wrong and his quote was too high. I found a better deal elsewhere.He must have some satisfied customers 'else he wouldn't have been in business so long.

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  6. chdot
    Admin

    "Why do companies such as the Ikea or Apple excel in a hard economy?  They know how to educate their staff, keep a store and help their customers.  Sure, it sounds great and easy but it isn’t.  The bike industry is a hard one to walk into, most employees are paid less than a comparable job in a different industry"

    http://bikeshopgirl.com/2010/05/women-in-the-bike-industry-who-is-to-blame/

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    spytfyre - I think I was saying that I like the guy too (in spite of his approach to retail, following his dissing of my bike I have written to the manager of EBC enquiring whether specialized will cover the cost of retrofitting the correct brakes on my old tricrosds, same as the ones on the new model). Mr F was quite funny when I phoned to see if my bike was ready for collection [I stress he did adequate repairs in very quick time]. "ah, right, the Tricross," he said "I've made some notes." There then followed lengthy disection of the faults of the bike and by implication ME. Now don't get me wrong, the faults are accurate. What I am saying is - Is thisa the approach to build a customer base? I am going back as I am a masochist and can't fix my own bike properly. Recombodna sounds like he won't but as it is local he may brace himself for further spirited discussion [prioces start dear however seems to be room for negotiation?]

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  8. druidh
    Member


    "Must be some other factor to explain why Mr Freewheelin keeps going. He is good but as you can see from previous, very happy to argue toss with you and lose custom. He has no great monopoly but is the only bike shop on the A70/A71 heading west until MidCalder so could be a factor. "

    I've often wondered if there isn't space for a small bike shop somewhere along the Baberton-Balerno corridor. Bike rental would be a possibility too given the access to the WoL & Pentlands.

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  9. recombodna
    Member

    Ha ha after this thread I feel I may need another dose of mr f!!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    @druidh - we could carpet tack the lanark road and all the cyclists would come in for repairs. I forgot Halfords when i was saying there was nothing from Freewheelin until Midcalder.

    Quite satirical till receipt in envelope from that guy at The Bike Chain - the one who is on holiday this week. Wheel £67.50 Free Lube Free Chamois Cream Free Home Delivery - total £67.50

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  11. thebikechain
    Member

    AH! You finally got your wheel... great stuff.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. gembo
    Member

    @tbc - yes I ran the Rig Race route as final prep for my half marathon in Skye this weekend (St Columba for mild conditions) and popped by Druidh's house to pick it up. Nice wheel. I thought you were on holiday? Mr Freewheelin's prediction that front wheel only had two weeks left at max will have to be ignored for another week as I am in Skye on foot this weekend and wont be changing wheels.

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  13. Kirst
    Member

    I would have gone into Freewheelin' this morning but he wasn't open when I went past at ten past nine.

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  14. recombodna
    Member

    'Mr Freewheelin's prediction that front wheel only had two weeks left at max"

    Two weeks? so is that two weeks sitting in your house or two weeks riding 100 miles a day? or wot? ;-)

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  15. Dave
    Member

    Only one way to find out - ride it until it collapses and let us know!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  16. recombodna
    Member

    Yeah DO IT!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    I have done it, two weeks at 100 miles a week (well my commute slightly shorter now) on canal towpath and slightly poorer surfaces of roads of edinburgh, but since then I have done another 4 weeks beyond the prediction. Every day I get on the bike thinking it will be the last for the old front wheel. New one sitting in garage waiting.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  18. Stepdoh
    Member

    When a wheel fails does it just start rolling badly or is it *foof* implodes, rider over handlebars etc.

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  19. SRD
    Moderator

    Stepdoh - thanks for asking that. I was wondering too...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  20. recombodna
    Member

    i've had a few wheels destoyed at polo and always managed to ride home on them.I've ridden for weeks with broken spokes and never had a problem. i rekon you'd have to have a lot of spokes broken to have a catastrophic failure. If the bearings are dry and seize on you or the axle breaks you would probably take a dive. My wife took a dive once when the front mudgaurd holder on her Raleigh cameo snapped sending the mudgaurd up into the gap between the wheel and forks. She went over the handle bars and shattered her elbow very nasty.Required surgery and pins and she still has the scar 12 years later.

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  21. effemm
    Member

    My "favourite" experience of wheel failure - something other than dents, broken spokes etc, none of which generally render the wheel unrideable - is when the braking surface is worn so concave and thin that it splits along an arc. The tyre bead comes off, the tube explodes, and the separated rim section jams - rather abruptly - in the brake:

    Rear wheel is bad, front is spectacular. Happened to me three times now, the sad (but not inevitable) result of a heavy cheapskate riding hard through the winter and not cleaning his blocks/rims. Bring on the disc brakes!

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  22. cb
    Member

    "My wife took a dive once when the front mudgaurd holder on her Raleigh cameo snapped sending the mudgaurd up into the gap between the wheel and forks."

    Interesting you mention this as today's Edinburgh Bicycle newsletter has a product recall for mud guards that sound like they have potential to do the same.

    I don't think I've seen a bike product recall before.

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  23. Stepdoh
    Member

    ahh, I actually think I'm more likely to come across that last one rather than spoke failure. My rims are getting worn, but too tight to shell out for a new wheel

    Posted 13 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    @effemm - good illustration.

    Some people have this problem because they don't replace their brake blocks soon enough and gouge the rim with either the metal shoe (bad alignment makes this more likely) or the metal that the braking material is bonded to.

    So if you ever hear metal on metal when using rim brakes STOP using them and replace blocks rapidly.

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  25. cb
    Member

    I trashed a back wheel by overloading the bike on a two week tour of the Outer Hebrides in '97. It was a mountain bike, probably not designed to carry that much weight.
    All the weight was on the back (two panniers plus a rucksack on top of the rack). I could only *just* lift the bike!
    The wheel didn't actually break and I didn't notice the cracks in the rim until after I got back home.

    In fact the only breakdown that trip was a snapped gear cable which I knew was on the way out before I left so I had a spare.

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  26. Claggy Cog
    Member

    "When a wheel fails does it just start rolling badly or is it *foof* implodes, rider over handlebars etc."
    In response to the above from Stepdoh I can now report what happens....well in my case I noticed that the front wheel had developed a distinct wobble, so much so it was rubbing against the brake blocks badly in one part, I thought I might have a few broken spokes. I continued my journey and was actually going quite slowly when there was a sudden very loud bang, I thought my inner tube had exploded, and then the front of my bike started a slow descent. There was a long strip of aluminium trashing about impeding me as well as the fact that my front wheel just collapsed. I did not go over the handlebars. I was fortunate enough to be going slowly at the time, on the flat, otherwise it could have been really, really nasty. However, I was in Fife at the time in a very small village with no bike shop, no bank, well really nothing much other than a pub and a couple of village shops. I was rescued by a very nice couple on a tandem who cycled to the nearest bike shop (four miles away) and purchased me a cheap wheel and returned with said, to allow me to get home to Edinburgh, the nearest other bike shops were some 15 to 20 miles away. My tyre was fine, the inner tube however was shredded and unsalvagable, but I always carry a spare. So my advice to you is check your rims regularly if you wheels are quite old and you use your bike regularly. If you suddenly develop serious wheel wobble, stop and let some air out and so decrease the pressure on the rim and hope to break down, if you do, near a bike shop, on the flat when going slowly. In hot weather the air in your tyres will expand and put more pressure on the rims, bear this in mind when you pump up your tyres to brick hard on a hot day, so increasing your chances of rim failure.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  27. Claggy Cog
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  28. spytfyre
    Member

    off topic much?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  29. Claggy Cog
    Member

    obtuse adj. , -tuser , -tusest . Lacking quickness of perception or intellect. Characterized by a lack of intelligence or sensitivity. Etymology: Middle English, from Latin obtusus blunt, dull, from past participle of obtundere to beat against, blunt, from ob- against + tundere to beat ...Obtuse is similar in meaning to myopic. Sounds like the shop owner is actually quite knowledgeable about his given subject. Myopia is shortsightedness and he may well be metaphorically in that he is unable to see how is attitude puts people off.

    I think curmudgeonly would suit better. 1 archaic : miser 2 : a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man. ...An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions....They're neither warped nor evil at heart. They don't hate mankind, just mankind's absurdities. ...— cur·mud·geon·li·ness \-lē-nəs\ noun. — cur·mud·geon·ly \-lē\ adjective [Origin unknown.] curmudgeon [kɜːˈmʌdʒən]

    He is, however, not a very good clairvoyant, but one thing for sure is if he has told you that your wheel rim will fail, no matter the timescale, it will if you don't change it, if it is old and neglected!!

    Is that better Spytfire back on subject!! Discussing personalities.

    I was going to add a photo of my spectacularly, catastrophic, blown rim, but I won't bother now. I will say the bike shop owner that supplied my new wheel was absolutely marvellous in my opinion, even though I never met him, he saved the day, for which I will be eternally (well in my lifetime at least) thankful.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  30. recombodna
    Member

    T**T would also work.

    Posted 13 years ago #

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