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Does LBP take RLJing seriously?

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  1. SRD
    Moderator

    By cars that is.

    I am so fed up with sitting at the intersection of Argyle Place and Melville drive while cars jump the red. I see it day after day after day.

    Today it was some big juggernaut towing a bit of construction equip. Massive thing. was stopped in traffic, then charged ahead on yellow so that it was blocking the intersection as light went red. Someone in the cab (miles above me) gave me a 'cheery' wave as they went by.

    He didn't need to do that - and it wasn't safe - but he did because he could because he a million times bigger than me.

    Is there a camera on that red? Does it ever catch any of these folks? If not, could LBP not station someone there once in a while to catch them?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. Nelly
    Member

    I think that junction suffers from the 'this is a main road, so I will just sneak thru, sod the side road' syndrome.

    Of course, the side road in question (Argyle pl) is very busy with through traffic / peds / cycles going to MMW etc.

    Dont like cycling Melville Drive at the best of times, rarely use it - despite being only a few streets from me. Suspect part of this is due to the reasons you have outlined / size and attitude of the mechanical traffic.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Uberuce
    Member

    Broomhouse Road is pretty bad for deliberate red jumping. The last two that stuck in mind actually made eye contact with me as they powered on through. One was a taxi driver, the other piloting a w-tank BMX X5, both gave the impression that they were too important to observe a light for a mere cyclist.

    That's probably just me projecting onto them, but it's pretty obvious that crossing is on-demand and equally obviously I'm not going to step out in front of them. As SRD said, doing it because they can.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Min
    Member

    Another bad place for this is Charlotte Square southbound going towards George Street. Drivers pull up to the red light, look about and then just drive on while I stand there on my bike. I haven't been that way for a few months but it used to happen regularly.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. steveo
    Member

    The right turn from Saughton Road to Stenhouse Drive, I make it every morning and every morning at least one mostly two cars come through on the red. This wouldn't usually bother me but since there is no filter I end up still waiting to turn when the traffic from Broomhouse Drive gets its green and I'm in the middle of the that rush to get to the front!

    As a conciliation, it happened to me yesterday in the car as well so its not just bikes that people ignore in their hurry to the back of the next queue. At least in the car I feel a little safer seeing the Broomhouse Road traffic bearing down and I can give the RLJing morons a blast on the horn to make me feel better.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. In short 'no'.

    But in long 'it's more complicated than that'. I guess one solution would be to have Red Light Cameras on every traffic-lit junction and crossroads. But what it would take is the police patrolling those 'blackspots. In four posts above, three particularly bad junctions have been identified (EDIT: 4 junctions in the above 5 posts). Easy to imagine that scalling up to 30? 40? junctions citywide. 2 cops at each. Every morning and evening rush hour?

    While that may look like it's taking things to extremes, well the other option is to plonk a couple of polis to be 'visible' a couple of days, then all reverts to normal once they're gone (because we know they have to be visible, otherwise people complain of sneaky tactics and entrapment and stealth taxes a la speed cameras which are now all fluoro-backed).

    Cameras at every junction would be lambasted in the media and by that Clapham omnibus chap as 'political correctness gone mad' or 'the nanny state' or even some sort of Orwellian-Stasi crossover. It's not true, but no politician, and no police chief, is going to take that unpopular (to the shouty public) first step.

    So back to 'in short'. No, sadly, and, as SRD and Uberuce have said, drivers know it, and will comntinue to take advantage because in their eyes the 'risk' is worth the 'reward' (risk in this case being a wee fine and possibly three points, the reward being a saving of 2 minutes on your journey - the 'risk' of an accident incident doesn't, I think, enter their heads).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. minus six
    Member

    Saw a double decker Lothian Bus SPEED right through a SOLID RED at Nicolson St / Richmond St junction late yesterday afternoon.

    It wasn't even anywhere remotely close to amber gambling.

    i was dumbstruck by the sheer arrogance of the driver.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. cc
    Member

    o_O if you can remember details like the time it happened and maybe the bus number that's well worth reporting to Lothian Buses, they're good at following up that sort of thing and they can actually get something done about that sort of behaviour.

    It sounds to me as if those roads and junctions need a wholesale redesign so that they encourage and guide drivers into safer behaviour. (But then that usually seems to be my answer!)
    Also a resumption of the old public information safety adverts on telly would be very welcome. I know this idea of the government actually trying to improve something doesn't fit in with the brave new neoliberal world but they were very effective. I still remember the hammer hitting the peach, the "It was my Dad! In our new car!" etc.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. I remember you'd get frazzled if you tried to fetch your frisbee back from a sub-station....

    cc - both suggestions are spot-on. Practical, logical, sensible. Therefore no chance of being implemented.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. steveo
    Member

    The ones they played about overhead power lines and the suggestion they could arc in certain circumstances still give me the willies when ever I pass under pylons or over level crossings!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "could arc in certain circumstances still give me the willies when ever I pass under pylons"

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    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. steveo
    Member

    Cool!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Dundee Street down to Ardmillan Terrace I have noticed recently that cars are going through the red and making a right turn, when only the ahead filter light is green.

    It's not a rush to jump a light that is about to turn red, it's going through a red because a filter for another direction is turning green.

    I'm waiting for the first time I get tooted by a car behind to "encourage" me to go on the red.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. minus six
    Member

    @cc

    The bus driver in question was displaying "Partial Route" as destination so it must have been --

    "End of my shift when i hit the town, who cares about the red, i'm just motorin' right on thru, ya bass.."

    Alas the driver was going too fast for me to clock the reg.

    As an aside, I often see buses travelling far too fast on the way into town, on Nicholson Street / South Bridge. Makes my blood boil.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. cc
    Member

    o_O all I can say is that when I contacted them with some bus & time details when I saw a bus on the bicycle box at a red light - less serious than what you've seen - Lothian Buses got back to me almost instantly to say that it didn't agree with that sort of behaviour and that it'd check the CCTV footage and question the driver. So I'm guessing they'd take a dim view of a driver who went through red lights. It is difficult to think of getting details at the time that happens though isn't it. One of those things that's easier to say than to do.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Dundee Street down to Ardmillan Terrace I have noticed recently that cars are going through the red and making a right turn, when only the ahead filter light is green.

    Presumably you mean cars going down Henderson Terrace? The straight-on filter catches out a lot of right-turning learner drivers.

    @cc, I once had cause to report a LB driver who went through a red light. LB was equally quick at responding and taking appropriate action.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. Bhachgen
    Member

    Traffic from Brunswick Road crossing Leith Walk to enter McDonald Road is bad for RLJs as well. It's a right PITA if you're trying to turn right out of McD Rd up the Walk.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. minus six
    Member

    I've reported the bus driver via the online form, so hopefully something will transpire to make the driver reconsider his driving standard.

    Don't usually bother making official complaints about professional drivers, because it would take up time on most days if I did..

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. Roibeard
    Member

    I'm having a string of RLJ incidents at Cameron Toll roundabout on my way home from work at the moment. Heading south (Dalkeith Road->Old Dalkeith Road), I get through the first set of lights just as they're turning amber, which means the second set will be red/turning red as I approach. So I stop, and the car behind/beside me sails through.

    I take a fairly robust primary on this roundabout due to drivers tending to take the right hand (incorrect!) lane and change mid roundabout for the Old Dalkeith Road. Ignoring other road users who happen to be meekly in the left hand lane...

    Last week, I couldn't believe the RLJ that managed to squeeze past me on my left! Usually they scorch past on the right, but this was quite a gentle undertake, presumably because the driver feared for their alloys against the kerb.

    I can only presume that these drivers, having gone through the previous amber or red, are now committed to jumping the next set too!

    Bad idea, in my opinion, because that mid roundabout set of lights has no grace period - when one side goes red, the other goes immediately green without a pause.

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. Greenroofer
    Member

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    Posted 12 years ago #

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