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Reduced speeds, low emission zones and school street closures

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  1. cb
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    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/reduced-speeds-low-emission-zones-and-school-street-closures-among-ten-proposed-policies-1-2749087

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    40mph zones across Edinburgh would be axed under new plans being considered by transport chiefs. Around 25 main roads could be reduced to 30mph to safeguard pedestrians, cyclists and motorists.
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    "Routes including Telford Road in north Edinburgh and Seafield Road in east Edinburgh would be considered for reductions from 40 to 30mph, as would Comiston Road in Morningside. Zones across the city, which number around 25 by recent estimates, would also be reviewed. But key arterial routes into the city such as Queensferry Road and Calder Road would stay at 40mph
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    Neil Greig, director of policy at the Institute of Advanced Motorists [said] “Drivers make their speed choices based on the road environment and if a road feels safe at 40mph then most will understand and stick to it”
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    Yeah, that's good Neil - let the drivers decide.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  2. crowriver
    Member

    I suppose if a motorway 'feels' 120 but is actually 70, then those coppers are just 'aving a larf, eh, Neil?

    Sensible move by the council. Which is why there will be huge opposition followed by a u-turn, presumably.

    Oh wait: "But key arterial routes into the city such as Queensferry Road and Calder Road would stay at 40mph. " So they got their u-turn in early. Crafty that.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  3. Calum
    Member

    "But key arterial routes into the city such as Queensferry Road and Calder Road would stay at 40mph"

    That's what they call Balancing The Needs Of All Road Users.

    Or, as I put it, Accepting A Certain Number Of Deaths To Cut A Few Minutes From Journey Times.

    Vision Zero FTW!
    A Model Cycling And Walking Friendly City FTW!

    Posted 12 years ago #

  4. kaputnik
    Moderator

    if a road feels safe

    A road feels far too safe in the cosseted environment of the modern motor-vehicle, where there is nigh on no physical connection or feedback to the outside environment for the drivist.

    A three-year project in The Grange, Morningside, Blackford and Prestonfield is now halfway through, but police found 40 per cent of drivers exceeded the limit by at least 5mph.

    Q. E. D. I. A. M.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  5. crowriver
    Member

    Luke Bosdet, spokesman for the Automobile Association (AA), also said that reductions in speed could have a knock-on impact on traffic flow around the city.

    Heaven Forbid that the Holy of Holies should be compromised in this manner! Outrageous!

    Hence: City transport leader Lesley Hinds said: “We want the main arterial routes like Queensferry Road to stay 40mph because traffic needs to flow. 


    Hallelujah!

    Posted 12 years ago #

  6. crowriver
    Member

    It gets worse: Neil Greig of the Institute of Advanced Motorists said: “Very few children get injured near schools where they are closely supervised and drivers can see the risks.”

    Yeah, just keep your pedestrian brats under control and clear the f*****g streets, then nobody will get hurt when I drive up to the school gates with my little darlings in my urban tank. Alright?

    Posted 12 years ago #

  7. Arellcat
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    We want the main arterial routes like Queensferry Road to stay 40mph because traffic needs to flow. 
But in built-up areas we … want people to enter a residential area and automatically think 20mph.

    The converse: "We want people to know they can race their cars as soon as they leave a residential area."

    …considered for reductions from 40 to 30mph, as would Comiston Road in Morningside

    Comiston Road where it runs north through the southern flank of Morningside is already 30mph. It doesn't become a 40mph zone until south of its junction with Braid Hills Road, and that's in the Braids and Riselaw area, not Morningside. Given that I cycle up that blasted hill every day, I would be very happy if it was reduced to 30mph all the way to Fairmilehead.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  8. cb
    Member

    Comiston Road is a no-brainer for making 30mph, largely because very few cars drive at 40mph, probably 30-35 is the norm in my experience.

    The south-bound Comiston Road avoiding Braid Road rat-runners (make sense?) who *race* down Riselaw Crescent to get onto Comiston Road 'early' to jump the queue may, just may, be dissuaded from that tactic by a 30mph limit.
    But probably not.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  9. fimm
    Member

    What about Lanark Road? I can nearly do 30 down the steep bits anyway..

    Posted 12 years ago #

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