I didn't see that advisory sign this morning as I was concentrating on there being anyone coming around the blind corner so I did not take its advice.
Email to Burns, Hinds etc. coming on!
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(242 posts)- Started 11 years ago by chdot
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Posted 9 years ago #
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They just need to add a disobediencecam and make a fortune.
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Three From Leith (@threefromleith)
28/05/2014 09:32
@steveo_mcg @CyclingEdin @Edinburgh_CC As it has no legal standing, I'll be staying on the bike & riding it like I've done for the last 8yrs"
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Meanwhile, back on page two:
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9318&page=2#post-98004
Posted 9 years ago # -
"Meanwhile, back on page two:"
Aye, the oldies are the best.
Nothing 'we' can do will make CEC change...
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@AndrewDBurns: @CyclingEdin @steveo_mcg @Edinburgh_CC @adamrmcvey @LAHinds @SpokesLothian Thanks for tweets/pic. Can someone email specifics to one of us?
Where to start...
Posted 9 years ago # -
Steveo,
I've got a fairly substantial letter full of diagrams and photos that I sent to Trams people a while back and got a fob off answer about. I'll send it back to Lesley and Andrew (complete with Trams response) this evening.
I'll add in the new signs too.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Good idea, I've just emailed Mr Burns and I touched upon the crossing and the stupid lines around the telecoms boxes. More the merrier.
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So basically, last year there was a contiguous cycle path complete with a cycle-friendly Toucan crossing (albeit for the duration of tram works nearby).
Since then, the Toucan has been removed and downgraded, replaced by a pedestrians-only 2-phase Pelican with stupidly tight railings, and they've now managed to put a huge break in the dedicated cycle route.
What utter, utter morons. Councillor Burns, if you're reading this, you should be ashamed.
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I 'presume' that installation of these signs are still part of the Trams comedy thoughts on the path?
i.e. can the council do anything about it yet?
p.s. I am pretty confident that nobody (on here) will dismount at that point, it is as daft as the other sign at Stenhouse end.
p.p.s Does anyone pay attention to any signs on paths anymore?
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Here's how the response from le trams to my earlier letter went down;
"Yes, there long ago used to be a path here, but we had to dig it up to build a tram bridge. We were obliged to put the path back sort of how it used to be, but we couldn't fit it anywhere else so we put it around the corner with a pile of infrastructure cabinets in the way. The cabinets were already there so weren't our fault so it wasn't our job to move them. We put a path through them, so that's all that matters. The very previous crossing was 2 stage, so despite the crossing running fine for a number of years as a 1 stage makeshift affair, we were obliged to put it back as we found it so went with the 2 stage option. We put guardrails up to protect you, but to protect the guardrails we set them in from the kerbstones by 0.5m, therefore losing 1m of usable crossing width and taking the crossing well below the recommended minimum width for both cyclists and disabled persons. As a result we've decided to "solve" this by putting up some "dismount" signs so that you can walk your bikes across the crossing, even though there's still no room to cross and you're actually wider pushing your bike than riding it. We're not doing anything about it. Go moan to the council. We're not the council.
You're sincerely,
Edinburgh Council Trams Dept."
Afterthough - I can't help but think it would have been a LOT cheaper to dispense with the bridge and run the tram across as a level crossing, which would also provide a wide, single-stage pedestrian / cyclist crossing alongside...
Posted 9 years ago # -
....or give us all jetpacks, my preferred option
Posted 9 years ago # -
I'm sure a wee push to swivel that sign round 45 degrees would resolve the issue. Not that I'm suggesting anyone does it, mind... *innocent whistle*
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There's a great TiE photo-op with the cycle/walking route sign on the same pole as the Cyclist Dismount.
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There's a great TiE photo-op with the cycle/walking route sign on the same pole as the Cyclist Dismount.
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"Afterthough - I can't help but think it would have been a LOT cheaper to dispense with the bridge and run the tram across as a level crossing, which would also provide a wide, single-stage pedestrian / cyclist crossing alongside..."
You're right. That was the approach taken at the Gyle stop (and on a far busier section of road) so no reason that it couldn't have been used here as well. Other than "new bridge....shiny....."
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For the record, it's on the core paths, therefore responsible cycling is allowed, right?
Posted 9 years ago # -
Just when you think nobody can make more of a mess of cycling provision in the city than they already have...Actually, I always have faith in them managing that :-(
Posted 9 years ago # -
Walking back I noticed there are two on the Sth gyle access pavement, not sure what genius put them there or if the pavements along side the dual carriageway are core paths. Either way the signs are the usual idiocy we've come to expect.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Forgive my ignorance with this junction, but is there any reason why the crossing has to be under the bridge?
Couldn't they just put the path directly across the junction, or have they put the island in because the traffic light sequence (trafficflow be praised!) means you can only cross one carriageway at a time?
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All hail traffic flow, even the lights are configured to hold up active travel users as much as possible.
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PS, I suspect it is the latter. See kaputniks note earlier on the 'quite good' intermediate solution.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Surely with the trams starting next week, there will be no need to drive into the Gyle...
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Sooooo, this sign is at the Bankhead tram stop, there is another at the west side of the tram stop - as well as the signs east and west of South Gyle Access (10 yards away).
I am confused, is it a bike path or not? (my confusion is tongue in cheek, natch).
Posted 9 years ago # -
Are they putting these where the segregation abruptly stops at each Tram stop? Muppets...
Posted 9 years ago # -
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Edinburgh Trams (@EdinburghTrams)
01/06/2014 18:29
The tram goes to Edinburgh Park. Do you work there? Take the tram! #tramtowork"
Posted 9 years ago # -
I was confused coming out of Balgreen Tram Stop towards Murrayfield on my pointless ride earlier this evening.
I wanted to go down Baird Drive toward Murrayfield (Streetview). There's now a Pelican crossing there, and a helpful sign for cyclists that says, in so many words 'For Murrayfield use crossing'. of course what it means is 'Get off your bike and walk across'. I rode across, and then found that I was really on the pavement on the other side and had to bump off the kerb.
Pretty unsatisfactory.
Posted 9 years ago # -
I take that route quite often, never occurred to me to push across the pelican, you do have to cycle across the pavement but they will make that a path, very short, or put up a cyclist dismount sign coming down from Balgreen tram stop.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Got a reply from the council via Andrew Burns' office. The response is, as you might expect, pathetic.
To paraphrase. The signs have been installed because the crossing is designated pedestrian only, due to the layout of the crossing being two stage with a narrow island. This was the arrangement before and would require a major reconfiguration of the junction. (like was already done...)
Cont: Now the tram works are complete the council will adopt the paths. Conversion of the crossing to shared use would "required substantial alteration to the junction at significant cost and is likely to have a significant impact on the traffic flows in the area and there are currently no plans to undertake such work."
As I said pathetic. Full document can be made available via pm.
Posted 9 years ago # -
To paraphrase. The signs have been installed because the crossing is designated pedestrian only, due to the layout of the crossing being two stage with a narrow island. This was the arrangement before
Not sure if I understand correctly but before the tram works you could cycle straight across in one go. I don't remember it ever being two-stage.
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