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  1. chdot
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    Cutting speed limits in towns would increase pollution rather than slow traffic, according to research for a Scottish carbon­reduction group.

    However, the study also found that lower speeds ­reduced crashes and noise, and made roads more attractive for walkers and cyclists.

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    http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/transport/lower-speed-limits-will-lead-to-more-emissions-1-2772312

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. slowcoach
    Member

    Sounds like the work to "be unveiled ... next week" is the report which was actually published last September?
    http://robedwards.typepad.com/files/ecci---speed-limits---2020-group-2012.pdf

    Amongst other details it showed that for petrol engines the biggest change in emissions with a strict 20mph limit in town would be a 22.6% reduction in NOx, with a 1% increase in CO2 per car-km.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    "with a 1% increase in CO2 per car-km"

    So it's true then.

    Forget all the benefits - fewer/less serious collisions/'accidents'/injuries etc.

    And the possibility that a few more people may walk/cycle (more) and reduce the number of vehicles emitting anything.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Min
    Member

    It is funny how vehicle emissions suddenly become vitally important whenever it comes down to allowing them to be driven faster isn't it?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. And as chdot points out. 1% increase in CO2 emissions, but then more people find walking and cycling a viable and pleasant alternative. So all you need is a 2% reduction in the number of cars on that route and the CO2 emissions go down overall.

    Short-sighted doesn't even begin to describe the arguments against this - and as Min says, it's really just any excuse to be allowed to drive more quickly.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Without having read the report, it's hard to comment, but the logic behind reducing speed limits is that it causes more acceleration / deceleration due to "stop / start" driving. Personally I think this is a load of complete cobblers because;

    A/ if you lower the speed limit, you have a lower speed to accelerate to and a lower speed to decelerate from, therefore you will be doing LESS acceleration and deceleration if you are driving between 0 and 20mph than between 0 and 30mph.

    B/ the stop/start nature of city driving is caused not by the speed limit as much as traffic signals and other vehicles ("traffic"). Changing the speed limit will not make there be any more or less traffic signals to stop for or more or less traffic to be stuck in (although, in an ideal world there would be less as some people might realise they're better off on a bike or a bus)

    I assume the IAM will be campaigning for a "40s plenty" limit outside schools to reduce vehicle emissions?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    22.6% reduction in NOx

    This alone is worth fighting for, let alone the increased safety for cyclists, pedestrians and other drivers that 20mph limits entail.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. slowcoach
    Member

    A bit of the Scotsman version of the report might be true, but it wouldn't be true to suggest that lower speed limits increases all forms of pollution from all sorts of cars. And the benefits of 22.6% less NOx sounds as if it might outweigh the disadvantage of 1% more CO2 per car-km, even before taking into account likely reductions in car-km, or changes in driving style that could reduce fuel consumption/ emissions even more.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. cb
    Member

    The emissions-vs-speed graph on p7 of the report linked to by slowcoach makes it pretty obvious that IC-engined vehicles in a city are going to be pretty hopeless from an emissions point of view.

    Noise reduction is another benefit of lower speeds which seems to be overlooked a lot (mentioned in the report naturally).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. cb
    Member

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21571200-stringent-restrictions-are-coming-road-near-you-slowing-britain

    "Over the past decade the proportion of cars breaking the speed limit has declined on most roads"

    but...

    "The average speed [in Portsmouth] has dropped by just 1.3mph"

    Positive comments (so far)

    Posted 12 years ago #

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