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Princes Street - no change.
George Street - one way traffic, two way cycle route, temporary extension of footway.
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TRAFFIC is to be banned from the north side of Princes Street
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Posted 10 years ago #
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Seems like a fair compromise.
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I've uploaded a rough idea of where bike paths could go using the Tram line maps.
I thought it would be good to get some thoughts before I pave it and send it to CEC.http://i.imgur.com/YbRdHOe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oSwyRAk.jpgThe squeeze point at the Scottish National Gallery and the tramlines force the bike path to be on the north side of the trams. That could have been an even larger pedestrian area.
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Good suggestion, i. And the fully segregated solution answers the point I made about the Waverley Bridge pinch point in this thread. I would hope that the dedicated infrastructure would lead to cyclists observing cyclist-specific signals at that corner where the tram crosses the carriageway given there is no need (beyond impatience) to ignore the signals.
What's your approach to bus stops on the north side of Princes Street? Is there two lanes of traffic or one lane with lay-bys for bus stops? (I can't tell on my monitor)
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There is only trams on this Princes street, The buses can go on George st and on Queens st. There is space for a east to west route bus and taxis but that would contribute to noise and air pollution. Princes St is such an asset that it really deserves a nice environment for locals and tourist to walk about and have public events on.
The cycle specific traffic light phase could be all directions green or the normal Dutch kind.
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"The buses can go on George st and on Queens st"
Boo! Bang goes the lovely, quiet, haven. I can't access the designs. Have you retained the segregated cycle facilities on George Street?
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Good luck with that then! ;o)
I take it there is no room for a two-way segregated bike lane on Princes Street if we assume the Council's revised "vision" is put in place (ie, there will be buses using it)?
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@WC i's designs just cover Princes Street.
For the record, I also want to see George St calmified/peopleified/pleasantified, not busified.
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I am limited to the tram maps, unless I use detailed OS maps via my institution but I'm unsure if I am allowed to use them in this context.
I'm still quite open to where we can put the bus routes. This picture of George St and general thoughts by Sustrans are my inspiration.
The question is do we want bus routes only on:
1. Queens St - Problematic for routes like 31. I like this best for a liveable city, no through route for Princes and George st. Tram can shuttle lazy people to the buses. (disabled can also bike or scooter)
2. George St - ruins George St
3. Princes St - Better for buses, but ruins P St and slows trams.Or split bus routes over:
4. Queens St & George St - North half of G St pedestrianised.
5. Queens St & Princes St - Better for buses but slows trams.
6. George St & Prince St - My least favourite option
7. Q, G & P St. Maybe OK with 1 way routes but ruins all streets a bit.Sharing bus routes over multiple routes could alleviate bus overcrowding and give resilience to the bus network. Cars are shunned to Queens St.
Anyone want to play on Street mix? George St was 25-30m wide when I last measured it.
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Have to say, I like the Sustrans plan. I don't suppose anyone knows what reaction (if any) it got from the Council?
I can imagine what reaction it got from Lothian Buses, but I'd be inclined to ignore them given their blatant prioritisation of revenue-protection ahead of the best interests of the city...
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