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Edinburgh Council draft Cycling Action Plan available for comment

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    CEC's draft ATAP (Active Travel not just cycling) has been sent out to "stakeholders".

    Spokes is one and has put the document on it's web site (Word doc. - PDF alternative 6MB) and is inviting comments which will be homogenised and sent to the Council.

    A lot of work has gone into it with officials from several departments involved as well as outside "stakeholders".

    The result is impressive and full of all the good stuff necessary to allow there to be a chance that various Edinburgh and Scottish cycling targets might be met.

    Any comments here will also be taken note of for (and maybe incorporated into) the final document.

    More info/background on Spokes site.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    The following "Publicise the operation of Advanced Stop Lines and work with Lothian and Borders Police to enforce their operation" (p44) seems pretty essential to me. But I would like to see more high visibility publicity - not just leaflets that generally end up reaching the 'already converted'. If I understand the marketing and promotion section, it will mainly target professional drivers. If police are to start enforcing ASLs, then drivers need to know why.

    I am also struck that the section on integration with public transport (p45) says NOTHING about trains actually carrying bikes, which given Scotrail's response to East Lothian question, is a bit worrying.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. cb
    Member

    I'm becoming convinced that some drivers think that the ASL only counts if a bike is already in it when they approach it.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "I'm becoming convinced that some drivers think that the ASL only counts if a bike is already in it when they approach it."

    I'm very sure that's true.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    In addition to the document the Council has produced a couple of 'aspirational' maps of it's "Proposed Family Network".

    When the final ATAP report is launched its intended that there will be clear indications of the timescale for improving/signing bits of the network. (Click images for larger PDFs)




    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    Is the Highway Code just a bit like the Pirates Code in Pirates of the Carrib.? MOre a rough set of guidelines? Do we ignore/downplay the bits we don't like (I cannot mention some of these bits). Motorbikes deff-O think they should be in the red box but they shouldn't

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    Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. cb
    Member

    Interesting maps, if a bit light on detail. Presumably "Family Network" means, could-be-a-bit-muddy-might-have-to-dismount-now-and-then.

    The route through the Royal Edinburgh Hospital would be nice (mentioned on this forum before somewhere in the distant past I think).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. Kirst
    Member

    Aren't we all stakeholders? Where's my copy?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "Aren't we all stakeholders?"

    Well yes - all pedestrians too.

    It's always a balance between consulting 'chosen' groups/individuals and having a 'public 'consultation'.

    I'm sure you've heard the phrase 'consultation fatigue' - often the result of being asked similar questions by different consultants which (sometimes...) results in another report and no discernible action.

    I was at one of the 'stakeholder events' that 'informed' the current draft. The most interesting thing was the clear evidence of very different views within the council about priorities.

    Specifically a split between the idea that more money/effort should be put into areas where people already cycle - notably the city centre or places where cycling is less common.

    I'm not saying that this was a major part of the discussion or that they are irreconcilable, but it was a useful/interesting illustration of how people interested in 'cycling' don't have a unified view.

    "Where's my copy?"

    Links above.

    This version of the report omits the council contact details and it's suggested (by Spokes) that comments are sent to them to be combined as the official Spokes response.

    This may or may not suit you (and others). It could be seen as 'restrictive', but the reality is that all the comments would land in the inbox of one particular official. Of course CEC should have many more walk/cycle staff - that may be a result of this process.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. LaidBack
    Member

    A very large and detailed document.
    The links mentioned below would all work for me.
    In fact if the path improvements make real progress I'll be out of a job doing tours as going round town will be too easy.
    So we have to be careful;-)

    Seriously though I've lost count of the number of times I've had to explain why it's easy to get into the Meadows on NCN1 but leaving is a fankle as not even Sustrans have a definitive route (have they?). Like lots of places in town we have half a cycle route at CrossCauseway. Brand new crossings are installed with road markings in wrong place. (I could mark all this stuff out and do my tours at same time!).

    All these people that try my bikes note how the dream and the reality of the routes just don't match. I've had to tone down my Edinburgh as a cycling Eden bit on my web site as things haven't moved on as much as I would have hoped.

    Thankfully though the good bits outweigh the bad - although the barricading of the route to Portobello show how things can go backward at great expense.

    If we combined the route improvements below with a 20mph speed limit in town then the combined effect of good cycle//walking routes with non-frantic streets should work.
    If the council fail to reduce road speeds by statute they will fall due to tailbacks of vehicles anyway as next generation look like being at least as car obsessed as last.

    THIS SEEMS TO BE THE KEY LIST OF 'MISSING LINKS'.

      • Union Canal to Princes Street, Rose Street and Royal Mile (NCN 75)
      • Roseburn (end of N Edinburgh rail paths) to Princes Street, Rose Street and Royal
      Mile (NCN 1)
      • Union Canal to N Edinburgh path network link (NCN 1 to NCN 75)
      • Link to Roseburn from Carrick Knowe cycleway and Edinburgh Park-
      Broomhouse-Stenhouse tram parallel cycleway
      • Link to Edinburgh Zoo from Carrick Knowe cycleway
      • Links from N Edinburgh rail paths network to East (from Warriston- NCN 75) and
      West (from Craigleith - NCN 1) gates of Botanic Gardens
      • Granton rail path to Cramond promenade
      • Portobello - Seafield – Leith - N Edinburgh path network link (NCN 76)
      • Link from ‘Innocent’ railway cycle path to Meadows (NCN 1)
      • Upgrade link from Meadows via city centre to N Edinburgh path network (NCN 1
      and 75)
      • Upgrade link from Union canal to Meadows (NCN 7)

    One objective that I'm not sure is covered is promoting the Portobello to Cramond route. Levelish cycling near the sea is easy and attractive. Ocean Terminal would then actually see cyclists more often too. Needs to be good way through docklands - and I don't mean cycling on pavements!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin


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