“Q where were the huge riots of angry & betrayed Brexiteers on the 1st? Pundits ASSURED me they would happen.”
Quite so.
Perhaps no one believes nothing no more -
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‘Spose we ‘need’ a GE2019 thread
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Got canvassed by Kate Nevens, the Scottish Greens candidate for Edinburgh South. She was very engaging.
I explained to her that I'd studied environmental chemistry, written on the changing composition of our atmosphere and campaigned for active travel amongst other things. Nonetheless I would not engage to vote for her, which must have been dispiriting. Majoritarian voting really is a disgrace.
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That must have been dispiriting for Kate Nevens. Still expect she will get worse on the doorstep
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That sounds like an updated version of the good old left "women's/gay/Black/[other group] rights are a distraction and they should be quiet and stop sewing discord and trust that we'll get to them after the revolution" attitude...
SNP activists (and politicians) using exactly the same argument online as to why Scottish Greens shouldn't stand against them in the election because we should just wait to fix everything that we campaign on until after Scotland has independence.
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@gembo
Yes. She was young and keen. I am old and grizzled. I feel a bit grim about it but as you say she has Racist Fruitcake Spitter, UKIP Mouth Frother et al yet to meet.
Also her canvassing technique needed a bit of polish.
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Yes my dear old bagpuss, you speak the truth. Yet Sandy Denny wrote Who Knows Where The Time Goes when she was but 19 years old. I find that worthy of note.
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Majoritarian voting really is a disgrace.
Aye.
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Kate Nevens previously stood to be Corstorphine/Murrayfield's Councillor.
Her performance at the MCC hustings was pleasant relief to some of the other candidates' views...
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The failing WM electoral system has so far elected just one Green (England) party MP.
1 Green versus 600+ others - compared with other European democracies that rates as very poor.
Until day before yesterday fracking was allowed there. If there had been more it may have been banned sooner (moratorium in Scotland due to Greens here keeping SNP in power?)'Up here' the Scottish Greens are supporters of self government but if Conservatives retain seats then that chance will have to go back.
Ross Thomson standing down though.Posted 4 years ago # -
I was nice about Ms Neven on social media and she hasn't picked it up, despite her party's account doing so.
Scottish Greens really are hopeless campaigners. I doubt Ian Murray considers them to be opponents because of course they aren't.
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Kate has now picked up my Tweet but has got my name wrong.
If it was Ian Murray I'd been nice about he'd be trying to recruit me as an activist. I am sad today.
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Scottish Greens really are hopeless campaigners
There are ways you could help change that. Joining, say?
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@Frenchy
I can't join, for a number of reasons. I would be happy to give canvassing training.
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I suspect that, gruesome though Brexit is, this tactical unionist vote for the Conservatives will prove to be more robust than we think it is, for a couple of reasons. First, in many key Scottish constituencies, it’s a one-on-one fight between the Tories and the SNP. In other words, if you’re a unionist/remainer and live in a constituency like Gordon, Stirling, or South Perthshire, or North Perthshire, Central Ayrshire, Edinburgh South West, or Lanark, your only choice for an anti-SNP vote is to vote Conservative. Switch from the Tories to support a party that’s both anti-independence and anti-Brexit and you risk letting the SNP win.
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fascinated to hear that the SDLP and Sinn Fein are not standing in 3 seats each so as not to split the remain vote.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50289309?ns_linkname=northern_ireland&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_news_niPosted 4 years ago # -
@SRD
This is lions and lambs stuff.
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@iwrats please explain allusion / what you are getting at? i think I agree with you, but maybe not?
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Isaiah 11:6
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
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agree.
(It was just something about the tone. possibly me reading into it. in the context of the tension here between greens / snp.)
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BJ having been (and possibly to be again) the little child?
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in the context of the tension here between greens / snp
Some of the deepest Greens I know are members of the SNP. Majoritarian voting makes it hard to be friends I suppose.
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Nowt to do with voting systems. Everything to do with a mindset that proclaims "independence first, then we'll sort out... (insert just cause here)".
This mindset also dictates the lambasting of Greens by SNP supporters for daring to be so impudent as to stand candidates in their constituencies - most of which were Labour before the SNP "surge" in 2015...
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SNP ultras out in force in the letters column of The National telling the Scottish Greens to go away because reasons:
https://www.thenational.scot/politics/18011873.greens-zero-chance-getting-mps-scotland/
Oh and lest we forget, this is not a new phenomenon. We just need to recall the slogan "Both Votes SNP" in 2016...
So it's not so much a case of majoritarian voting, but majoritarian thinking, regardless of the voting system.
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TLDR: Greens are unable to compromise/can't campaign/won't do well, but at the same time are such a big threat to the SNP/indy vote that they shouldn't even be standing at all.
All that's missing from the letters page is the claim that 'I would vote Green in an independent Scotland, but if the Greens stand now, I'll never vote Green again in my life'.
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"What are 'backscratchers' in this context?"
The majority of people congratulating the Tory candidates appeared to be either Miles Briggs or other candidates. As you noted very few women or non inner circle members. It almost had a feeling that I'd stumbled into a lodge meeting. I wouldn't be surprised if you told me that all Tory accounts are run by their PR team (NC).
The other phrase the internet uses for such things isn't family friendly but suggests them all sitting in a circle.
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Labour trying to simplify it's brexit position. Negociate new deal, then referendum. Starting to sound more like something I could support.
BUT, is 5 years of JC (or as long as he lives) worth that referendum, how much damage could he do in that time?..
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@Baldcyclist?
Is Mr Corbyn subject to some unique mortality risk?
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"It's too bad (s)he won't live; but then again, who does?"
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Did Russia meddle in Brexit vote?
Report should have been released by now so assume it is of no advantage to BJ - but BBC presenter 'suggests' it might be?Amazed (or maybe not) that John Beattie (news presenter on BBC Radio Scotland news) said interference was very likely and also in 2014 IndyRef. Claim that massive amount of pro Indy bots were of Russian origin.
Unchallenged and not in other reports I've seen - although this UK election is really an English Brexit election with Celtic fringing.Posted 4 years ago #
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