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In reply to crowriver: But that's my nice drive home! where else can you drive past such a beautiful hill and be in a city. I don't see the conflict personally.
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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » General Edinburgh
Holyrood Park Petition is Online
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Posted 11 years ago #
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The hillwalker forum is very car centric... not surprising as hill walking in Scotland is difficult without owning a car (as is skiing).
Some comments seems to be similar in tone to the EEN comments page.
if people want to walk or cycle they should go and drive somewhere suitable - preferably somewhere they won't cause traffic congestion.
I did post on to people via FB.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Ah well, I registered and posted.
Posted 11 years ago # -
A source for the traffic volumes
http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/faqs-traffic-regs-holyrood.pdf
Posted 11 years ago # -
@insto good link
I have a pal who years back was fined for driving a van he had hired through the park. I thought he was moving house and I thought he should have appealed BUT he may have been shifting his band's musical equipment and therefore subject to the fine. Also no hearses without prior permission.
Posted 11 years ago # -
"Also no hearses without prior permission."
Really? I was passed by one heading in there yesterday. Nowt in the back.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Blimey, there's some real unpleasantness on that walking forum along with a lovely US government-like fascination with real names. Charming.
Think I'll stick to walkhighlands, myself...
Posted 11 years ago # -
I suppose there's no reason to think that hill walkers should be different to anyone else on a subject outside their immediate interest. I remember having long (you'll be surprised) arguments about mountain biking, the gist of which was that hillwalker friend wanted mountain bikes off any hills because, well, just because, because hillwalkers were there first and it was, well, their hill and mountain bikes just went faster and churned up the path. I could concede a little on the path-churning but it was the fundamental sense of prior ownership that grated. Not that I'm in the least interested in mountain biking.
Anyway, sorry to have given them a hook with my story getting around the limits of the petition. Not that I'm sorry about actually doing it.
Posted 11 years ago # -
I believe one of the chief complaints was that you weren't suitably hounded for this odious crime.
Instography. You are a very naughty person. Maybe.
That should cover it.
Posted 11 years ago # -
A whole group of unpleasant people, though there is something about the 'bagger mind set which grates on me. WC your response very measure, Crowriver i'd have dropped out way, way earlier than you!
Posted 11 years ago # -
A number of the characters on the ukhillwalking.com forum seem desperately sad. Not the sort of people I'd want to meet while ticking off my round. What a pity!
I absolutely loved the moment when one weirdo (not posting under his given name) demanded to know your given name. Their frantic scrabble for some purchase ad hominem is most unattractive.
Don't engage with them. It's obvious that it will go nowhere.
Anth - you forgot to provide your office contact details, BTW. They won't like that. What hidden interests could you be concealing?
Posted 11 years ago # -
Ah well, I tried to be nice. But 'not condoning' cheating on the petition wasn't enough - I had to 'condemn' it. Not that I can do anything about it, nor control anyone on here (the Princes Street thread is good evidence of that!).
It'll be interesting to see if the petition gets pulled on that basis (get the feeling someone from that forum has objected to the council) - if it does then I think every single petition could be up for withdrawal!
Life's too short - I'd rather argue with people I know here.
@Dave - I did think about putting a link on to my Law Society entry, but thought better of it.
Posted 11 years ago # -
munro baggers are mainly just keen motorists with a secondary hobby of sloping up the hill with a day pack after they've made it to the glorious car park
nothing more tiresome than bumping into fleets of these domestic ramblers when stravaiging out in the field
Posted 11 years ago # -
If I could be arsed I'd sign up and defend my right to have an opinion on what happens in the place where I spend all of my working days and a good chunk of my leisure and fair bit of my income, where I run a business that sustains 170 jobs blah blah blah. I'd object very strongly to the Council restricting opinions about our proud nation's capital, national landmarks and elements of the world's heritage to residents, a significant proportion of whom don't even pay local taxes never mind national taxes. Yaddah, yaddah.
But I can't be bothered.
Posted 11 years ago # -
If 'cheating' were the case I would have expected it to reach the 500-vote threshold before now.
Posted 11 years ago # -
I fitted a rear child seat to the tandem yesterday. Tested it out today with No.2 daughter on the back, with and without No.1 son as stoker. Handled fine on the move, bit of a tricky balancing act sometimes at traffic lights...
Anyway the point is I went through Holyrood Park twice today. Latest occasion all three of us were riding, and we topped 50kph on the descent down Queen's Drive heading east. (That's 31mph in old money).
As we passed over the speed strips, one of the front mudguard stays rattled loose from the fork eyelet (so called safety feature) so I had to pick a spot to pull over further down, and slot it back in to the holder.
As I did so (having signalled), a black Range Rover which had been behind us pulled alongside, window open, holding up the rest of the traffic as he did so. Driver looked across at me and shouted "Cycle path!" and pointed to the green shared use on the other side of the road.
Now what I should have said was "Motorway!" and pointed behind me in the general direction of the M8. Instead I started a defensive "It's perfectly legal for me to cycle here.....blah blah" as he pulled away. Half a dozen roadies in full lycra passed us during this altercation (my sone said 'Look! It's Bradley Wiggins!" at one chap in a maillot jaune).
Note, I was doing 50kph before slowing and pulling over. There's no way I could be holding anyone up as that is the speed limit on that bit of road. As if I would be safer doing that speed on the shared use path, what with the joggers, ramblers dog walkers, lost tourists, et al.
Some drivers are just arrogant knobs. There's clearly a strong sense of entitlement to race around the park without cyclists "holding up traffic" too.
Makes me think a driving ban must come sooner rather than later.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Amusing reading that hillwalker forum thread, if depressing. What a bunch of conservative, self-centred jerks.
Posted 11 years ago # -
We fear change.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Ah well, needed 500 signatures, got.... 171.
Petition is closed.
Posted 10 years ago #
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