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"UK to allow driverless cars on public roads"
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Posted 7 years ago #
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Azimov way ahead of us?
0. A driverless car may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.
1. A driverless car may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A driverless car must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A driverless car must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the Zeroth, First or Second LawsPosted 7 years ago # -
IWRATS, Fast forward to 2037 where despite owning more cars than there are people on the planet everyone walks everywhere as the cars decided that the use of energy would necessitate the emissions of toxic substances into earth atmosphere in contravention of rule zero.
Posted 7 years ago # -
@chdot @IWRATS true.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Sounds like it should be a Mind running the roads. Though it might get bored.
Posted 7 years ago # -
@steveo
Good call. Clear Air Turbulence perhaps?
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A Serious Lack of Gravitas, it would at least fit in well round here!
Posted 7 years ago # -
TBH I don't think the main worry with this sort of AI is the bike or bus choice. After all, that is a difficult call for a human to make and there is no definitive correct answer. It is more that in an extremely complex and unpredictable road environment the algorithms governing it may end up with a completely irrational decision. No matter how sophisticated you make the programming you don't get the same flexibility and understanding a human displays. Don't forget the most common phrase heard on a flight deck is: 'Why is it doing that? '
Posted 7 years ago # -
The "if a car has to choose between hitting a school bus or a bike..." is a total nonsense argument because:
No human would be able to make such a complex decision in the split second required. Most humans are too busy thinking about their dinner / argument with spouse / phone conversation / attractive person on other side of road to evaluate all the factors correctly and even react.
When deer or other animals run out, 90% of drivers just plough straight through them.
The idea that drivers have a 'choice' in such situations is just another illusion of control.
Posted 7 years ago # -
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“We don’t really have any idea where Ms. Chao would be,” says Chan Lieu, an advisor to the Self-Driving Coalition for Safer Streets, whose members include Ford, Google, Lyft, Uber, and Volvo.
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https://www.wired.com/2016/11/elaine-chao-secretary-transportation-self-driving-cars/
Posted 7 years ago # -
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Driverless cars trial set for UK motorways in 2019
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Posted 7 years ago # -
Albeit still with drivers by the sounds of it so possibly not much more advanced than what some cars are able to do on motorways already, although car-to-car communication sounds like it may be the main innovation.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Socialist John Harris punting the utopia of cities dominated by self-driving cars;
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Posted 6 years ago #
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“Good article”
Yes.
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People live in urban centers not because they want to sit at home in their house and have their toothbrush delivered to their door, but because they have a pharmacy around the corner that they can walk to," says Nicole Ferrara, executive director of pedestrian advocacy group Walk San Francisco.
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Posted 6 years ago # -
Autonomous buses going between Ferrytoll and Edinburgh Park.
Article also has a quote from Greg Clark saying "we’re announcing today is that we’re going to have a pilot in Edinburgh for example, for a bus to drive autonomously into the city centre from outside."
Posted 5 years ago # -
Just looked at the route map in link.
Interesting...
Posted 5 years ago # -
not ok with this
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Both this article and the Beeb talk about there being 5 buses in the trial while showing a picture containing 6 (presumably) regular ones.
The route is almost entirely on motorways and other restricted roads. I guess this is to minimise contact with tricky obstacles.
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Improved safety, reduced congestion, increased efficiency and lower staffing costs have been billed among potential benefits of driverless buses.
For whom, exactly, are lower staffing costs a 'benefit'?
Posted 5 years ago # -
@IWRATS, how dare you question the orthodoxy of Value Extraction from the provision of public services? Are you attempting to threaten revenue streams for shareholders and directors? This sounds highly seditious and contrary to the basic tenets of Empire.
Posted 5 years ago # -
A self driving bus could pass an object by 1mm as the computor could judge exactly. A normal bus would need to leave 2 feet as too hard for a driver to judge exactly. The council could save £s by narrowing all roads.
Posted 5 years ago # -
A good skit on the ethics of self-driving cars on John Finnemore's Souvenir Programme on Radio 4. About 8 minutes in.
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