St Andrew Square is a prime candidate for repaving with pedestrian-and-cyclist-friendly/motor vehicle-unfriendly paving. At the moment there is so much space given over to tarmac and it is not used much at all. Especially along the north and south sides, but even the St David Streets can be remarkably quiet at rush hour.
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Shared Use - the debate (begins) continues
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Posted 9 years ago #
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Posted 9 years ago #
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/26/china-straddling-floating-bus-beat-traffic-jams
A novel approach to sharing road space from China.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Not Edinburgh -
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Posted 7 years ago #
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Potential problems brought to Spurtle's attention include:
The footway seems narrower than street guidance minimum in places.
It’s not clear whether the cycleway is intended to be two-way, and therefore too narrow in places and a likely source of conflict between cyclists and pedestrians.
The junction for southbound cyclists leaving Greenside Row appears unsatisfactory.
The Greenside Row pavement looks like a probable area of cyclist/pedestrian conflict, with no clarity about whether adequate demarcation between the two is intended.“
http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/unhelpful-fog-over-leith-street
Posted 7 years ago # -
From above link -
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Campaign group Living Streets Edinburgh has laid out its objections with great clarity here, and Spurtle understands Spokes Lothian activists are now weighing up their options and seeking political intervention.
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I wonder if The Cockburn is working on a response.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Whilst in general being a bit miffed off with Living Streets' attitude towards cycling infrastructure, particularly floating bus stops, I have some sympathy with their response here. The provision for cycling on Leith St is nothing other than shared pavement, and p***-poor shared pavement at that, with space being taken from a very busy footway instead of from the carriageway. In addition, if the model to be used is that already built in the Pilrig to McDonald section of Leith Walk, the lack of height difference between walkway and cycleway means that pedestrians have no obvious clue that it is not one wide pavement, and so conflict and dissatisfaction for both groups is guaranteed. And so to floating stops; again the Leith Walk model is deeply flawed, with not enough space for the bus users at the stop itself and lack of height difference means that passengers will just wait in the cycle lane. Living Streets and people on bikes will probably assess it as a failure and therefore set back further implementation of more floating stops, which if designed properly are a very useful addition to the infrastructure.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Got shouted at yesterday, for failing to dismount in a timely manner at the Scottish Widows / Port Hamilton / Morrison St shared-use cut through.
I am definitely going to ditch the hi-viz and helmet as I'm sick of being treated as some kind of sub-species...
Also: shared-use in a city == conflict built in.
Posted 6 years ago # -
“failing to dismount in a timely manner at the Scottish Widows / Port Hamilton / Morrison St shared-use cut through”
Not aware that this is pedestrian only.
Are there signs?
Even if there are, may not state actual legal situation.
This route was often shut until CEC pointed out it was a Planning condition that it was a public path.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Not aware that this is pedestrian only.Are there signs?
Currently very narrow with a blind right-angled turn due to scaffolding.
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'Currently very narrow with a blind right-angled turn due to scaffolding.'
And there are lots of signs.
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It isn't pedestrian-only. It's shared-use.
Yes, there are dismount signs.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Mr K Clark has met two cyclists on pavements and had one nasty experience and one chat where cyclist has not been able to see the irony n his position.,
End of story
Posted 6 years ago # -
I like Mr Clark's position that 80% of transport funding should be on pavements I have understood that correctly haven't I?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Perhaps we should start writing letters to newspapers every time a driver causes us to have a nasty experience and fails to see the irony of their position?
There is, of course, a certain degree of irony in Mr Clark complaining about pavement cyclists and complaining about spending money on safe cycling infrastructure.
Posted 6 years ago # -
I got abuse from a driver yesterday for cycling on the footpath (by which he meant the segregated cycle path on Leith Walk). A passing pedestrian muttered to me that the chap was clearly a w****r.
It doesn't surprise me that he'd not noticed all the signs and painted tarmac on the pavement because he'd also not noticed/heeded the Give Way sign that he rolled through and nearly hit me.
People will use any infraction, real or in this case imagined, to defend their own misbehaviour. Clearly this guy knew I was about to mount the 'pavement' so decided to pre-emptively punish me.
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@dougal maybe Mr K Clark has taken to driving around monitoring footpaths? He should never go to Stevenage where all paths were for bikes err I recall mopeds
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I was nearly hit by right turning van when going down the walk as I went left to join the pavement path the driver assumed I was turning left. I do use the paths on leith walk and should be more paths but I have my doubts about this particular path being safer, more pleasant yes but safer? not so sure, tend to think the danger zones are the junctions which may have been safer to cross before
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There have been discussions on various threads about a ‘flow system’ on paths - particularly Canal and NEPN.
These were taken on a riverside route in Prague on a sunny Sunday.
Multi-user, most on wheels.
Posted 6 years ago # -
On a path in a park!
Posted 6 years ago # -
I was in Washington DC last week and it had a very similar set up in and around the Mall area. I rented a bike and had a lovely day pootling around museums and memorials with almost no issues sharing the (v wide) paths with pedestrians.
Posted 6 years ago # -
On a path in a park!
"cyclists should expect to be pursued by giants"?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Different sort of shared use, but...
https://twitter.com/annalangside/status/1023558608716541962?s=21
Posted 6 years ago # -
"Sound your bell and a walker might welcome it as a helpful warning that avoids them being startled as you ride by. But equally, it could interpreted by others as an impatient demand to move out of the way."
This is my experience too - I find that more often than not, using my bell is taken as a "Get out of my way", particularly on Portobello prom for some reason.
I'd much rather slowly cycle behind someone until it's clear to pass, or say "excuse me" if there's a line of pedestrians taking up the whole path (which is also very common).That, and of course the fact that probably 50% of the time that I do use my bell, people either ignore it / don't hear, or walk into my path as they're trying to see where the bell sound is coming from.
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I cycle through Davidsons Mains Park, Inverleith park and the Silverknowes path and always ring my bell for both peds and slower cyclists. Almost without exception there is usually a friendly exchange of thank you between us.
Only once I have had grief and that was after a football match heading down McLeod St to Roseburn on the road. I told the guy complaining that I was just trying to keep everyone safe including him.
Posted 6 years ago #
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