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Cycling KSI facts and factors

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  • Started 11 years ago by chdot
  • Latest reply from Instography

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    I started this on the 'cyclist down in Musselburgh' thread.

    Think its own thread more appropriate

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    For me it highlights that over the last couple of years the incidents where bike riders have died (SIs are less likely to be reported) the circumstances are (inevitably) different, but, unless the case actually goes to court, the actual reasons/'blame' don't seem to emerge publicly.

    I would hope all relevant details are collated (not just crashes involving bikes) and shared with those responsible for 'road safety'.

    This may now be easier because of Police Scotland.

    I think it would be better if this info was available publicly so that 'common factors' (if any) could be identified.

    There is an SoS story today about 'safety around schools' which seems to be based on all child incidents without reference to time of day.

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  2. chdot
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    sallyhinch responded -

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    I'm sure I've seen collations of stats on every serious collision, including a coding (I think based on preliminary reports from the officer on the scene) of the cause. I'm sure Morningsider will be able to point you to the link ...

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  3. chdot
    Admin

    I replied -

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    "I'm sure I've seen collations of stats on every serious collision"

    I think that might be the case, but I'm not sure if such data will cover the wide range of factors that may be 'relevant' - and won't if the case doesn't actually go to court, even where the police have put forward a case to the Fiscal.

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  4. chdot
    Admin

    Instography added -

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    Where the poilce are involved, they have to complete a Stats19 form that collects a long of details including their on-scene assessment of causes and contributory factor. Not sure how long it takes for that to become publicly available or who gets access to it. I've never had any cause to use it. Not the full facts of the case.

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  5. chdot
    Admin

    "Not sure how long it takes for that to become publicly available or who gets access to it. I've never had any cause to use it."

    I had a discussion with a police officer about a year ago. The advice was to contact the PF office - though the discussion was more about why cases didn't actually go to court.

    I am conscious (particularly in the case of deaths) that a lot of incidents involved 'experienced' cyclists. There are have been several involving 'sport' cyclists.

    Perhaps there are (fortunately) not enough cases to draw any conclusions.

    Perhaps is simple probability - experienced/regular cyclists do more miles.

    Perhaps they are more willing to use busy/fast roads.

    Perhaps they are more likely to take primary, which (some) motorists don't understand and try to force their way past.

    Clearly there will be cases where the driver will be the only living witness, and 'the truth' may be difficult to determine.

    If Keith Brown is to be persuaded to do more, it might be useful to know IF there are common factors in the recent rise in casualties.

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  6. crowriver
    Member

    If you go to http://www.whatdotheyknow.com and search under "road traffic casualties Scotland" or some such, I remember seeing some quite detailed stats that someone asked for, including the cause of death/injury.

    May be worth doing an FOI to establish "contributory factors" for road deaths over the past few years?

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  7. Morningsider
    Member

    A short analysis of traffic incident contributory factors, and the best available statistics are available at:

    http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/strategy-and-research/publications-and-consultations/j245189-09.htm

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  8. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks (as ever) Morningsider.

    Not clear if that makes anything clearer!

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    3.4 On average, fewer contributory factors were recorded for pedal cycles (an average of 0.68 per cycle involved in a reported accident) and bus or coaches (an average e of 0.76), compared to an overall average of 1.10 factors per vehicles.

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    Does that mean they weren't recorded when they should have been or 'most cycle crashes were knocked/fell off' so nothing to record?

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  9. Instography
    Member

    I suspect it just means that incidents involving cyclists are simple. Car turned left having failed to observe cyclist at their nearside.

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