Okay, so the name is just mine, but the actual concept is going to be in the welsh guidance:
http://deceasedcanine.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/panda-crossing.html
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Panda Crossing?
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Posted 9 years ago #
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A sort of zebra-meets-Toucan crossing? I think it's time we reclaimed the name. :-)
The original Panda Crossing was installed in 1962, but it was an 'absurdly complicated' death trap according to pedestrians, and was replaced by the Pelicon.
Posted 9 years ago # -
@SRD Presumably in the one you show a picture of, the bikes don't actually have any form of priority. Whereas the cars must give way to pedestrians, the cyclists will have to wait until there's a gap in the traffic.
I suppose your point is, though, that on a signalled toucan crossing, the cyclists should have a different 'lane' from pedestrians.
Posted 9 years ago # -
The give way lines would imply priority to both streams - although the greater speed of bikes might make that difficult for drivers to anticipate. That said, the fact that it's coming off a shared use pavement (which has meant it's come in for some criticism on twitter) should mean the bikes would be going fairly slowly (and besides, most cars won't stop for a zebra anyway unless you step into the road and do your best impression of someone who won't be intimidated by anyone)
UPDATED to add - looking at it again, it looks like it's the bikes that have the give way lines. So it is just a formalisation of the situation with zebra crossings now
Posted 9 years ago # -
I was clearly kind of conflating this with a toucan crossing. Blame it on the 3yo distracting me....
or i was just being aspirational. i'd really like to see cycling clearly identified on toucans, and i'd like to see us allowed to cross zebras.
Posted 9 years ago # -
"Tiger Crossings" seem to be shared cycle and pedestrian crossings where they have priority, mentioned in Wikipedia and TfL document, but not much detail.
Sally - although there are give-way lines for the cyclists before crossing, the give-way lines for vehicles before the zebra are also before the cycle part, in the pic on deaddogblog.
Posted 9 years ago # -
From the discussion on Twitter, it seems the give way lines for bikes reflect the current legal situation (you can ride across a zebra but you don't have priority). Apparently this may change next year
Posted 9 years ago # -
Lost my post, but the issue I worried about before was approaching cyclists being too quick to enter the crossing for drivers to react (given the current rules to cede priority to those on the crossing).
Although I note that the pictured site has a right angle approach to slow cyclists (and make using the crossing more difficult!).
Given the lines, it looks like the cycle track is just a normal "give way to the major road" situation, however crossing pedestrians could bring the main road traffic to a halt and thus make it easier to get out...
Robert
Posted 9 years ago #
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