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Transport Committee Papers

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  1. HankChief

    Haven't got chance to read them yet but case you are interested...
    Meeting is next Tuesday.

    Highlights include:

    7.3 draft plan for spending the 8% on cycling

    7.4 Bike hire scheme

    7.6 implementation of the 20mph

    7.10 George street interim appraisal

    No mention of bus lanes...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. crowriver

    Interesting snippet from one of the appendices, on the George Street experiment (my bold):

    "3.19 On 1 September 2015, work will begin to remove the temporary materials and the businesses’ decking and marquees that have been introduced onto George Street for the trial year. Although there may be some aspects of the ETRO that would feature in the design options for the future layout of George Street it is not possible to retain these on a permanent basis without going through the process of promoting a new TRO. The Experimental TRO is time-limited, and on its expiry the previous road layout and traffic management arrangements are considered to be automatically reinstated. The legal process attached to ETROs specifically rules out the possibility of retaining a trial layout and interim traffic management arrangements until a permanent TRO is implemented. In particular, any measure that would make loading restrictions more onerous would automatically trigger a hearing in the event of objections being received.

    3.20 Therefore for the period of time that the future layout of the street is being debated and approved, the street will revert to its previous layout, with two lanes of eastbound traffic and two lanes of westbound traffic. There are some aspects of the trial layout that have been widely welcomed. Consideration can be given as to whether the setted parking bays in the middle of George Street should be returned for use as parking or for some other purpose as civic space/public realm, and whether a cycling facility could be retained on a more conventional layout, with eastbound traffic on the northern carriageway and westbound on the southern carriageway."

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. UtrechtCyclist

    One thing I spotted in the proposed cycle budget (at the end of the 8% commitment to cycling budget report) is 50k for one-way street exemptions. Do we have any idea where these are going to be? I'm a big fan of these, would love to see bikes allowed the wrong way up Cockburn street...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. SRD

    good spot! been planned since start of ATAP. nice that they've remembered....

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. wingpig

    I would worry how few one-way streets that might cover, even if they're just appending an "EXCEPT CYCLISTS" to an existing signpost. Would it include admin/legal-wrangling fees, if TROs are required?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. chdot

    "I would worry how few one-way streets that might cover"

    It's good that it's mentioned in the report (any been created lately?) but sum seems slightly trivial/restricting - especially because of unknown unknowns - "Would it include admin/legal-wrangling fees, if TROs are required?"

    Of course there are candidates -

    Lady Lawson Street

    New thread coming.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. SRD

    "New thread coming."

    isn't there an old thread on this?

    I would have thought contraflows relatively cheap to implement?

    anyway, perhaps someone could ask how many streets anticipated to be covered? or is 50 000 just to draw up feasibility study...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. chdot

    "isn't there an old thread on this?"


    I can no longer remember 5 years of lost threads!

    Today's version.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. HankChief

    Transport Committee papers 2nd June

    Looks like some good stuff this time. Things that may interest people here include:

    3. Deputations
    3.1 Spokes and Living Streets Edinburgh – email from Dave du Feu in respect of Item 7.3 (Bus Lane Network Review - Objections to the Experimental Traffic Regulation Orders) (circulated)

    7. Executive decisions

    7.2 Delivering the Local Transport Strategy 2014-19: School Streets Consultation - report by the Acting Director of Services for Communities (circulated)

    7.3 Bus Lane Network Review - Objections to the Experimental Traffic Regulation Orders - report by the Acting Director of Services for Communities (circulated)

    7.4 George Street Experimental Traffic Regulation Order - Interim Cycle Lane Options 2015/16 - report by the Acting Director of Services for Communities (circulated)

    7.5 Review of Tables and Chairs Summer Festival Trial in George Street - report by the Acting Director of Services for Communities (circulated)

    9. Motions

    9.1 Velocity Road Repairs – Motion by Councillor Mowat

    9.2 Pentlands to Portobello Cyclepath and Walkway – Motion by Councillor Robson

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. chdot

    "9.2 Pentlands to Portobello Cyclepath and Walkway – Motion by Councillor Robson"

    Background -

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. HankChief

    Papers are out for next week's meeting (12th Jan 2016)

    Item 7.7 is a 58page paper reviewing progress on the ATAP, which will be interesting.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Stickman

    Very quick skim of the 20mph TRO shows a small number of objections despite the "city wide opposition". As predicted, it's easy to click "like" on Facebook but that doesn't translate into doing something more involved.

    Hopefully this will mean the roll-out of the 20mph scheme can now go ahead.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. HankChief

    Paper 7.10 has 3 more schools joining the Schools Street Pilot - Clermiston, St Peter's RC & Towerbank in phase 2.

    Whilst Buckstone which was picked for phase 2 have withdrawn from the scheme 'at the request of the school and local community after informal consultation'.

    Similarly Bonaly has also withdrawn from the scheme but after the initial informal consultation (parents & residents) was 68% for with issues being raised that it only covered 1 entrance. Revised plans were drawn up covering both and this was put to parents and 68% voted against.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. HankChief

    7.6 contains this gem

    '3.26... an allocation of £30K is given to each Neighbourhood area to install dropped crossings'

    Wonder how many that will do?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. gembo

    Both bucks tone and Bonaly are at the top of the hill, not sure if that is important. Don't understand why it was 68% for and then 68% against?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. UtrechtCyclist

    Anyone know what the plans for 'Meadows to City Centre via George IV bridge, design and consultation 2016-2017' are? Page 20 of the Active Travel Action Plan, page 146 of the complete notes for the transport committee.

    I quite enjoy traveling Meadows to City Centre but find the reverse route very stressful! SRD's video from a few years ago shows how difficult the route is with kids.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. ih

    "Don't understand why it was 68% for and then 68% against?"

    Could be because they only asked 3 people, and one changed their mind!

    Ok, I know 2/3 is 66.6 recurring %.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. acsimpson

    Perhaps some of the car addicts they asked first time were happy as they thought they could just use the other gate.

    I chatted to the/a road engineer for Edinburgh west he said they had just completed 18 dropped kerbs in Parkgrove and would like to do many more. His problem isn't finding places to drop the kerbs but getting time allocated from one of just 2 hard landscaping teams in the city.

    I Don't know the rough cost of each but it is variable as two or more close together is cheaper than a single one.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. HankChief

    Just thought I'd flag this to everyone as it's news to me.

    You can watch any of the big CEC committee meeting via a live webcast or after the event by looking at the archive which is sorted by agenda item & speaker

    So for instance you can go straight to watch Cllr Balfour's question on Roseburn Cyclepath and Andrew Burns excellent response from today's full Council meeting.

    Will make it interesting to see what our elected representatives actually say on issues we care about.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. Roibeard

    I think the recording is redacted a bit compared to the livestream.

    I've listened to some committee work live, then reviewed it to pick up a bit that happened prior to my joining the stream, and discovered that some of what I heard wasn't in the recording - the audio mysteriously dropping out!

    The bits omitted were either considered banter or party political point scoring and struck from the record (as one might do from minutes). From the live viewing I couldn't work out if it were banter or not - some of it was quite sharp, and probably acceptable between friends, but might have been construed as relatively acrimonious or adversarial in other circumstances.

    Without knowing the relationships between the committee members, it wasn't possible for me to decide which!


    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. HankChief

    June's papers are out

    (Thanks to Klaxon for spotting)

    7. Executive decisions
    7.1 Delivering the Local Transport Strategy 2014-2019: Parking Action Plan - report by the Executive Director of Place (circulated)
    7.2 Sustainable Transport Accreditation and Recognition for Schools (STARS) -
    Update and Future Proposals - report by the Executive Director of Place
    7.3 Pedestrian Crossing Prioritisation 2016/17 - report by the Executive Director
    of Place (circulated)
    7.4 Expansion of Recycling Services in Tenements and Flats - report by the
    Executive Director of Place (circulated)
    7.5 Edinburgh Play Out - report by the Executive Director of Place (circulated)
    7.6 Public Spaces Protocol - update on progress - report by the Executive Director of Place (circulated)
    7.7 Forth Estuary Local Flood Risk Management Plan - report by the Executive Director of Place (circulated)
    7.8 Review of Scientific Services & Mortuary Services - report by the Executive Director of Place (circulated)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. SRD

    well-spotted indeed. i normally get notification emails. wonder where they went?

    anyway 'soft segregation' for Braid hills rd. - worth a read for 'typical' objector response quashed by hard cold facts.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. kaputnik

    report by the Executive Director
    of Place

    In language terms, is that not the most jarringly bad job title yet devised?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. SRD

    a lot to read on George st, but I like this:

    Enhanced cycling
    2m wide cycle routes separated from the carriageway located either side of street at edge of footway with 0.5m buffer offering protection alongside parked cars, with needs of pedestrian safety/ avoidance of conflict fully addressed.

     Prioritised Junctions
    Pedestrian & cycle movement along George Street prioritised at all north - south intersecting street junctions, in a manner which is compatible with maintaining vehicle flow through the key north - south route along Hanover Street. Detailed modelling & transport assessments will be required to address.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. neddie

    No mention of pedestrianising the central two blocks on George St ?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. Klaxon

    Having attended every Ironside event I don't think pedestrianisation was ever on the cards. It was something I approached directly on each occasion. The key points of their report seem superficially unchanged from their second consultation event which I'm relatively happy with as compromises go.

    Choice quotes

    Page 242: Figures recorded by electronic footfall counters on George Street show that, for the Februaries of 2014, 2015 and 2016, the greatest number of visitors to George Street during these years was in 2015, when the ETRO was in place and an extended space was given over to pedestrians.

    Separately in the section on Sunday parking

    Page 81: "on Sunday afternoon just under half of all parking spaces on George Street were occupied by cars that surveys suggested belonged to residents or employees rather than shoppers or other visitors."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. Morningsider

    Six years to upgrade George Street, with a cost of almost £30m! Six years - that's longer than the time taken to build the new Forth Crossing. I know the council are strapped and they want a high quality environment, but I'm sure something decent (i.e not using granite paviours) could be knocked out much quicker and for far less cash. Nothing wrong with tarmac and concrete slabs, as long as the layout is good - after all, it would still be a huge improvement on what is there today.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. crowriver

    "Six years - that's longer than the time taken to build the new Forth Crossing. "

    Hm, yes but the narratives are a bit different:

    Forth Bridge

    Engineers: "Help! The old bridge is falling down!"
    Government and all parties except the Greens: "Something must be done!"
    Contractors: "When do we get the money?"
    Government: "Will now be soon enough?"
    Public except for a few cyclists and tree-hugging environmentalists: "Jobs a good 'un."

    George Street

    Shopkeepers: "Help! Our businesses are in decline!"
    Council: "Something must be done!"
    Contractors: "When do we get the money?"
    Council: "Er.....will this design consultancy and some temporary trials do for now?"
    Public except for a few cyclists and tree-hugging environmentalists: "How dare you close any of the road to motor vehicles! How dare you remove parking places! What a disaster!"

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. neddie

    November 2016 papers:

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. neddie

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