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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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The emergence of the human resource needed puts into perspective the scale of the task – the number of staff needed dwarfs the 12,000 people estimated to work in the fishing industry, a sector emblematic of Brexit.
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“I think the UK has a deeply skewed image of its position,” one EU diplomat said. “It’s trying on all fronts to manoeuvre the EU in the position of demandeur [negotiating partner seeking a concession]. That will backfire. The member states’ take after the commission analysis on Friday leaves little room for misinterpretation.”
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Good news!. Experts at Fragomen Legal say it's entirely possible to keep the right of free movement and employment for EU citizens in Scotland.
This idea must be possible as National's comments section is now swamped by the usual negative comments/aliases.Main reason it won't be offered:
- would boost Scotland's economy
- involves working with ScotGov
- would be popular
- would reduce support for IndyRef2Ok - I made up last one.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18275475.scotland-keep-free-movement-brexit-experts-say/Posted 4 years ago # -
So, if the UK Government passes a law allowing EU citizens to enter Scotland without a visa or other paperwork then they can enter Scotland without a visa or other paperwork. Top work by some of Scotland's finest legal minds.
Obviously, it isn't freedom of movement - as it could be withdrawn by the UK Government at any time. Also, there would be no reciprocal rights for UK citizens travelling to the EU.
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I guess that's somebody getting this upside down.
The London regime was never going to allow that.
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@morningsider - Fragomen are NY and London co.
Report commissioned by SNP though.https://www.fragomen.com/about/news/scottish-futures-immigration-policy-scotland-after-brexit
Pro-UK side recently had their These Islands meeting in Newcastle discussing 'celtic' nationaism. Pro Indy have their agenda and seem to have produced more paperwork. Positive short term answer must be somewhere between? I don't think Tory party can really govern Scotland unless they start to listen.
If transition arrangements are ok with EU then why not do in UK?Posted 4 years ago # -
@LaidBack - thanks for the link. I wasn't criticising what was in the report. It's just that it is all very obvious. Following the end of the transition period, the UK Government is free to draft whatever immigration policy it sees fit.
Obviously, the current UK administration will not establish a separate Scottish system, but that is a choice rather than a necessity.
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Via a similar thread on another forum that I frequent:
Summary (as far as I can see): nothing changes.
Dated 8 May 2019. Why do I cynically feel that it's not unlikely that the Untied Kingdom gummit might renege on this...?
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Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland.
* Northern Ireland will remain aligned to a limited set of EU rules, notably related to goods, and the Union's Customs Code will apply to all goods entering Northern Ireland. This avoids any customs checks and controls on the island of Ireland.
* Necessary checks and controls will take place on goods entering Northern Ireland from the rest of the United Kingdom, including for example, Border Inspection Posts to ensure that the necessary sanitary and phyto-sanitary (“SPS”) controls are carried out.
* EU customs duties will apply to goods entering Northern Ireland unless those goods are not at risk of entering the EU's Single Market. No customs duties will be payable, however, if it can be demonstrated that goods entering Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK are not at risk of entering the EU's Single Market.
I suspect the British will try to build the inspection posts on the island of Great Britain in the vain hope that the UVF won't travel to set fire to them/blow them up.
When pillar boxes with 'ERII' on them were erected in Edinburgh in 1953 it was the Orange Lodge that blew them up on the grounds that Her Britannic Majesty Elizabeth was the first of that ilk to reign over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not the second.
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For educational purposes -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_Box_War
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2014/sep/13/orange-order-march-in-edinburgh-in-pictures
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Further education: Public Order Act 1936.
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https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/speech_20_402
Or, le Royaume-Uni nous a informés qu'il ne veut pas s'engager formellement à continuer à appliquer la Convention européenne des droits de l'homme.
The UK of GB&NI is committed through the Belfast Agreement to operate the ECHR in Northern Ireland;
Safeguards
5. There will be safeguards to ensure that all sections of the community can participate and work together successfully in the operation of these institutions and that all sections of the community are protected, including:
(b) the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and any Bill of Rights for Northern Ireland supplementing it, which neither the Assembly nor public bodies can infringe, together with a Human Rights Commission;
The London government is in the hands of anarchists and lunatics.
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What a difference a week makes. For several years now, we’ve got used to being told that experts are a waste of space. Doomsters and gloomsters who trade in telling you things you don’t want to hear. What was needed was a good honest dose of mindless optimism to talk the country up. Want to believe that Brexit will be a brilliant success and there’s an oven-ready deal to take us to the promised land? Then the Tories had just the government for you.
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Alister Jack is going to get a pay rise I hear.
Works very hard promoting Westminster's ideas to Scotland and gets free pass on our state controlled media.
1. First visit to Holyrood- something he's never been to before.
2. At select committee he highlighted the dangers of EU citizens taking British jobs and healthcare.
3. Suggested a tunnel might be better option than bridge from NI to Scotland
4. Confirmed that a Scottish immigration policy is just not possible.ITV Borders actually tweeted this....
Alister Jack says the 'Boris bridge' is 'a euphemism'... for a tunnel.
@ScotSecofState says tunnel connecting Portpatrick to Larne in Northern Ireland would be cheaper & avoid issues at Beaufort's Dyke, which is full of dumped munitions https://t.co/wHG2J4HI7c
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People should be aware of this statement from Alister Jack.
Pretty shocking if you are EU citizen.
Ignored by BBC and most media (except Guardian?)
https://twitter.com/lumi_1984/status/1235529552996286471?s=09Posted 4 years ago # -
Alister Jack: "There's been a tendency in the past for us to bring in cheap migrant labour, and they've come on the basis that they get access to our NHS and our benefits system" https://t.co/UOtRiFezYN
Of course 'our NHS' is staffed by EU citizens. Why isn't media hammering him on this dog whistle statement?
He's actively condoning 'you're not from round here' attitude. 'Our NHS' - does he mean NHS Scotland?Posted 4 years ago # -
Pretty shocking full stop. Xenophobia and yes, blowing that dogwhistle as hard as he can (in the hope BJ and co. hear it and give him a promotion).
Schrödinger's migrant labourer rides again: simultaneously taking OUR (fruit picking / care working / NHS staffing) jobs AND signing up for our benefits and, uh, NHS treatment.
(Presumably Mr Jack doesn't believe that low-paid migrant workers should be denied access to health care? Presumably.)
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At last. Brexit will deliver the jetpacks we were promised. Joby Jetpacks.
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“So, the powers will revert to the CAA, who are probably one of the world’s leading regulators and the expertise will need to come home to do that, but we’ll do it in a gradual way,” Shapps said.
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Right
So
It’s hoped people with nice jobs in Europe will be persuaded to come back to work for CAA??
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IWRATS you are spelling it Joby but that is not what you are saying?
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Be good for wheeching about! Apologies to BC.
Cheers
ColinPosted 4 years ago # -
Watching free-market capitalism collide with epidemiology is going to be instructive.
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You staying at home to watch?...
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I caught swine flu in 2009 and it was deeply unpleasant. Will do what I can to avoid this one but actuarial models have accumulated infection rates at 50% by July.
Individual action pretty futile.
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