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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. Stickman
    Member

    @IWRATS: the head of demographics at my work has been posting extensively on this and linking to lots of analysis. It’s grimly fascinating how we can see the statistics for each country and see where we are and when things are going to hit.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. unhurt
    Member

    Action to help delay peak perhaps not futile. Seems pretty important to try to smooth that out to give the NHS less overwhelm. Got two high risk immediate family members. Currently trying to persuade them that no, it's not "just the flu" (which er they haven't had for years due to vaccination).

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Stickman

    Indeed. It will be interesting to see our governments' attitude switch.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. steveo
    Member

    "just the flu"

    I had "just the flu" a couple of years ago, it was... unpleasant. Not something I'd be keen to repeat!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. amir
    Member

    @steveo - me too. It motivated us to get the vaccine from then on.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. steveo
    Member

    My Wife got it earlier and took longer to recover, she had the vaccine that year. The kids also had the vaccine and were fine. gits.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    The document appears to signal a weakening in the EU position in only one key area: its demands on fisheries, where the 27 member states had until now been seeking to “uphold” the current common fisheries policy (CFP).

    The CFP relies on historical catching patterns to determine how much fish each nation can take. The new text acknowledges the UK demand for scientific advice to take precedence and for there to be annual negotiations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/13/brexit-eu-demands-uk-negotiations-draft-treaty

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    Stephen Farry, the Alliance MP, asks when Johnson will accept that it will be necessary to extend the Brexit transition.

    Johnson says his focus is coronavirus. “The other matter” has been legislated on, he says.

    (Under the EU [Withdrawal Agreement] Act ministers are not allowed to request an extension. There is a widespread assumption that, despite what the government is saying now, and despite the act, which can be amended, an extension will happen.)

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/18/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-pmqs-cbi-urges-government-pay-businesses-directly-saying-350bn-loangrant-package-not-enough?page=with:block-5e7214a78f085c6327bc2369#block-5e7214a78f085c6327bc2369

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Section 20.4 of the 'basic law' of Germany asserts that: All Germans shall have the right to resist any person seeking to abolish this constitutional order, if no other remedy is available.

    The UK of GB&NI was a signatory to this text.

    Lucky Germans, eh?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    UK needs lockdown exit strategy, says key coronavirus adviser

    Prof Neil Ferguson suggests there has been more planning for Brexit than Covid-19

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/uk-needs-lockdown-exit-strategy-says-key-coronavirus-adviser

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. neddie
    Member

    We also need a Brexit exit strategy...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    No 10 claims coronavirus crisis strengthens need for UK to be free of EU regulation after 2020

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/16/coronavirus-uk-live-news-covid-19-lockdown-extension?page=with:block-5e9848348f0895d83068f2f7#block-5e9848348f0895d83068f2f7

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    German regulations seem to have helped them though their population maybe more likely to abide, to avoid fines?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    There's no way on earth the Great Britain/Northern Ireland border can be ready for December now.

    The British are still maintaining that they haven't agreed to one. But they have. They haven't even started building it, let alone fortifying it against attack.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    Johnson is Bizarro Trumpf.

    "We're Not Gonna Build A Wall!"

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    They told us that, contrary to the official line, Britain was in a poor state of readiness for a pandemic. Emergency stockpiles of PPE had severely dwindled and gone out of date after becoming a low priority in the years of austerity cuts. The training to prepare key workers for a pandemic had been put on hold for two years while contingency planning was diverted to deal with a possible no-deal Brexit.

    https://archive.is/20200418182037/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

  18. chdot
    Admin

  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  20. crowriver
    Member

    That makes for very depressing reading.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I guess f you are going to sever ties with your closest neighbour, doing it in the middle of a wordwide depression is as good a time as any. Means you can blame the depression for the ecconomic situation rather than your idiotic choices.

    I have recently been against Indyref2 because of the likely economic impact, but I think I've changed my mind again. No better time when the world is in economic chaos. At least we'll all be starting from the abyss.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    So it would appear that the London regime is proposing that the House of Commons should return to physical (as opposed to virtual) sittings in order to deliver Brexit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/01/rees-moggs-plans-for-mps-to-vote-in-person-branded-beyond-a-farce

    Surely this places some MPs in an impossible position? Travelling to the epicentre of the pandemic and mingling with people from all over they risk becoming super-spreaders when they return home, infecting their families, offices and constituencies. Some will be vulnerable themselves, some will be subject to Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish travel restrictions.

    The idea of the Commons votes being dominated by fit young people who already live in the south-east of England is a disturbing one.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    “fit young people”

    That doesn’t cover Boris or JRM (who is fronting this), but yes, after the recent demonstration that MPs could contribute/vote from home, this is the ultimate mixed message -

    ‘Work from home unless it isn’t possible’.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    To be fair Mr Rees-Mogg could be any age from thirty to three thousand years old.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. gembo
    Member

    Apparently one MP has used a computer for the first time ever during the pandemic

    Who would that be??

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    @gembo For all his affectations, I doubt it's hedge fund manager JRM

    There was this... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46222026

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. gembo
    Member

    @Murun, agreed he will know how to work a computer for sure. His daddy William will have shown him

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    @Murun Buchstansangur, one thing's for sure, that minister will be safe from cyber attacks.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Of course Brexit was never about ‘immigration’ it was always about UK (Gov) deciding who can come into UK.

    Britain will change its immigration rules and offer millions of people in Hong Kong "a route to citizenship" if China imposes new security laws, Boris Johnson has said.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52900700

    Posted 4 years ago #

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