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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 6 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    We are in the hands of clowns, thieves, zealots and lunatics Volume 345;

    https://no10media.blog.gov.uk/2020/07/23/david-frosts-statement-following-the-conclusion-of-round-5-negotiations-with-the-eu/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    UK chief negotiator David Frost said there were "considerable gaps" in the most difficult areas, but a deal could still be reached in September.

    His EU counterpart Michel Barnier said both sides were still "far away" and time was running out for negotiations.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53513612

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    It's not just the economy. Remember that they plan to install an internal customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They actually plan to split their country in two.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    It’s just a subtle to plan keep the island of GB together like the (future) island of Ireland...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Experts say that finding a way of adjudicating over future disputes between the bloc and the UK without some role for the ECJ is almost impossible and point out that it will be involved in disputes over the Northern Ireland protocol and citizens’ rights.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/30/brexit-european-court-row-puts-eurotunnel-operations-at-risk

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

  8. chdot
    Admin

    Northern Ireland is to be left out of the UK’s green car emission restrictions from 1 January, resulting in “Great Britain-only” regulations for carmakers. A quirk in the regulations means that cars sold in Northern Ireland will count as EU sales for strict new carbon dioxide emission limits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/02/northern-ireland-to-be-left-out-of-new-uk-car-emission-restrictions

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    We'll need to wait for the regime's proposed legislation but it would appear that the 'UK internal market' will be, as always seemed likely, the end of meaningful devolution in the UK of GB∋

    https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/factsheet/2020/08/uk-internal-market/documents/uk-internal-market-initial-response/uk-internal-market-initial-response/govscot%3Adocument/UK%2Binternal%2Bmarket%2Binitial%2Bresponse.pdf

    This is a very strange thing for avowed Unionists to do. Devolution is what has allowed the UK of GB&NI to exist, right from its inception in 1921.

    It is on the other hand exactly what a colonial administration would do with a territory it had conquered. The pattern was always the same: set the natives against each other (Hutu versus Tutsi etc) and pretend to play referee in that conflict while extracting all wealth to another place.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    Another area of concern for you is the effect of Brexit on the science community. Do you see any cause for optimism there?

    Not really. There are three major science blocs in the world, which are North America, China and the far east and Europe. Britain is actually good at science and had a lot of influence in European science. And so we have lost power and influence. That’s a political thing. The psychological thing is that I meet scientific colleagues around the world and they just think that the UK has turned away from collaborative science by looking back on an imperial history that no longer exists. It’s just very sentimental. And we’ve taken a leap several decades into the past.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/aug/15/sir-paul-nurse-the-uk-has-taken-a-leap-several-decades-into-the-past

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

  13. chdot
    Admin


    Michel Barnier has accused the British government of “wasting valuable time” and warned that a post-Brexit deal between the EU and the UK looks “unlikely”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/21/michel-barnier-brexit-time-wasting-uk-means-post-brexit-deal-unlikely-says-eu-chief-

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. davecykl
    Member

    The European Movement UK has a petition against "no deal" which could do with a lot more, an awful lot more, signatures (for what it's worth).

    https://www.europeanmovement.co.uk/no_deal

    "If no agreement is reached, the UK risks crashing out of the EU without a deal at the end of the transition period. At a time when our economy and our NHS are already struggling with the effects of COVID-19, a No Deal Brexit would be a disaster.

    The government's own leaked report said that a No Deal Brexit would lead to:

    A rise in food prices
    Riots in the streets
    Medicine shortages

    A damaging No Deal Brexit, combined with the consequences of the current Covid19 pandemic, would be catastrophic for both our economy and our NHS.

    Tell Boris Johnson to say No to No Deal."

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I don't think there's a great deal of point in petitioning the London regime. They're not political opponents or potential converts, they are our enemies.

    And they are working hard to entrench blood and soil nationalism;

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/eu-citizenship-rule-takes-effect-after-northern-ireland-womans-battle-39471634.html

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    The German chancellor last week met Emmanuel Macron at the French president’s official residence on the French Riviera, where they discussed the EU’s post-Brexit future. Following last week’s inconclusive round of negotiations, both governments issued near-identical statements calling for “concrete answers” from the British government.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/26/germany-scraps-plans-for-brexit-talks-at-eu-ambassadors-summit

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    When designing a financial product you always have to decide how to balance front-loaded charges to cover set-up costs, commissions and so on against back-loaded charges to cover the cost of servicing.

    In the politics of the UK of GB&NI the charges are all back-loaded so that the initial advice can be seen as impartial.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    This one is like that cottage in Buckstone where the poor chap took out a loan on retiral offset against the rise in value of the property. On selling he gets £50k and Bank of Scotland pocket £150k.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. wee folding bike
    Member

    His rubber business kept expanding
    but then disaster...
    Ee bah gum!
    The price of raw materials
    coupled with inflation
    squeezed his global holdings
    his liquid assets bottomed out
    and shrunk his retail outlet operation
    ..And that's the story of The Knicker Elastic King...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. gembo
    Member

    He sank all his money into bonnets and then the government banned Easter (Les Dawson)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    Downing Street has played down the prospect of reaching a trade deal with the EU in time for December, saying it will be “very difficult” – and blaming Brussels’ insistence on tackling tough issues upfront.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/01/no-10-blames-eu-and-plays-down-prospects-of-brexit-trade-deal

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

  23. chdot
    Admin

  24. chdot
    Admin

    Last week an LSE economics professor, Thomas Sampson, said no deal could cost more than the economic shock of Covid, causing a £3.3tn decline in the value of the UK’s output.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/06/five-weeks-clinch-brexit-deal-uk-move-boris-johnson-to-say

    Posted 1 year ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The Financial Times reporting that Her Majesty's Government is planning to breach international law, turning the UK of GB&NI into an actual rogue state.

    https://archive.is/BOgHq

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The iron rule of state collapse is that it's quick and most people do not see it coming.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

  29. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    New depths every day. Scrape harder. Scrape deeper.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. Stickman
    Member

    Just the Government’s top lawyer resigning over his concerns about it reneging on the Withdrawal Agreement. Perfectly normal, nothing to worry about - onwards to the Glorious Future!

    https://www.ft.com/content/6186bf1c-055b-4de6-a643-4eea763e1b94

    Sir Jonathan is understood to have been dissatisfied with Ms Braverman’s initial interpretation of the legal implications of a ‘no-deal’ Brexit, and requested official advice from the government law officers — Ms Braverman, solicitor general Michael Ellis and the secretary of state for justice, Robert Buckland.

    Two people familiar with the discussions said questions were raised over whether government plans to override the Brexit withdrawal agreement were in breach of the ministerial code that obliges ministers to follow the law, including international law.

    In the event the advice of the law officers was split, with Downing Street deciding to accept the advice of Ms Braverman. 

    The government is understood to have commissioned external advice which determined the government, while free to legislate domestically as it saw fit, would be in breach of international obligations if it legislated in contradiction to the withdrawal agreement.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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