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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 6 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. chdot
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  2. chdot
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  3. unhurt
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    Law officer 'offers resignation' over Brexit bill row
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54179745
    The UK government's law officer for Scotland, Lord Keen, has offered his resignation to the prime minister.

    BBC Scotland understands the advocate general has found it difficult to reconcile plans to override the Brexit withdrawal agreement with the law.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Morningsider
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    The real question is how someone who gave this speech on The Rule of Law and the role of the Law Officers could even contemplate staying in post.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. I were right about that saddle
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  6. LaidBack
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    UK Media playing it down of course but I think Lord Keen's departure is very significant.

    The SNP’s Justice and Home Affairs spokesperson, Joanna Cherry said she was pleased Keen had “finally decided to do the right thing and offer his resignation.”

    “No Scottish law officer could possibly reconcile the lack of regard Boris Johnson and his government has for the rule of law with his or her obligation as an officer of the Scottish Courts,” she added.

    She said the UK government would "find it hard to find any member of the Scottish Bar to replace Lord Keen as Advocate General as long as it is intent on breaking international law."

    Keen had been the chairman of the Scottish Conservatives until being appointed as Advocate General in 2015.

    The QC has represented the UK government in court in a number of high-profile cases, including over the prorogation of parliament in 2019 and the "Article 50" Brexit case in 2016-17

    To argue as Suella Braverman, the English Attorney General, has done, that the English doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty means that it is lawful for the UK to override the obligations Boris Johnson signed up to in the Withdrawal Agreement is legally illiterate.

    As recently as 2017 the UK Supreme Court confirmed that treaties between sovereign states are governed by international law not by the domestic law of any state.

    The English Law officers should really tender their resignations for the same reason, but I suspect they won’t, because, unlike Keen, they have been selected for their slavish devotion to the Johnson agenda rather than their legal ability

    If Suella Braverman had applied the most rudimentary legal analysis, she would realise that this means, so far as international law is concerned, the English doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty cannot supersede the UK’s obligations in the Withdrawal Agreement.

    Quotes from Joanna Cherry writing in the National

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. chdot
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  8. chdot
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  9. I were right about that saddle
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    I think that article's wrong. The truckers will need a permit to enter Kent From England, not France (though obviously they'll need a permit for that too).

    The UK of GB&NI will soon have three customs jurisdictions; Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England-out-with-Kent and Kent.

    There will be even more if these lunatics set up their 'freeports'.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Morningsider
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    @IWRATS - pah, mere details.

    HMRC have yet to issue a "wharf approval" for the Port of Dover, which is required for the handling of international goods from 1 January 2021 and the UK "smart freight" IT system for processing such goods won't be ready until next year.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
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    @Morningsider

    Well Jaques Delors had better issue that wharf permit and learn C++/SQL then, hadn't he?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. I were right about that saddle
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    Everything's going great. The EU has fallen into the Brits' cunning trap and has hahahhaha.....excuse me while I catch my breath......GIVEN NOTICE OF FORMAL LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THEM!

    Rule Britannia, and long live Her Britannic Majesty!

    Posted 12 months ago #
  13. chdot
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    Von der Leyen said the UK had a month to respond to the commission’s formal letter of notice, which marked the beginning of a formal infringement process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/01/brexit-eu-launches-legal-action-against-uk-for-breaching-withdrawal-agreement

    Posted 12 months ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
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    This really is a new low. The UK of GB&(N)I has had a variety of psychic shocks: losing most of Ireland, losing India, the Suez debacle. I dare say this will join the list however it plays out. They can back down and look like worms or they stick it out and become pirates.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  15. crowriver
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    I note von der Laeyen's use of the phrase "our British friends". Reminds me of how Russian diplomats use "our Western partners" whenever they are very displeased with us about something we've done...

    Posted 12 months ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
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  17. chdot
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    On Wednesday Michael Gove, in charge of implementing Brexit, said of the potential for chaos in Kent: “If things do go wrong, then to paraphrase Rag’n’Bone Man – put the blame on me.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/08/plans-inland-border-sites-cope-brexit-congestion

    Posted 11 months ago #
  18. LaidBack
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    The legal profession aren't holding back.

    The Internal Market Bill is one threat but recent speeches from Profit and BJ suggesting that the law is getting in the way is a threat to democracy according to a former Supreme Court judge and the Scottish Bar.


    In response to the Prime Minister’s speech, and his endorsement of the Home Office’s claims, the dean of the Scottish Faculty of Advocates has demanded a change in tone.

    Roddy Dunlop QC, in a letter approved by office bearers of the faculty, writes: “I deprecate the recent pronouncements – from the Home Office, then from the Home Secretary, and latterly from the Prime Minister himself – to the effect that there is a problem with ‘lefty lawyers’ or ‘activist ‘lawyers’ who are ‘hamstringing’ the justice system.

    “Whether the topic is immigration, or crime, or the constitution, lawyers that act against the state are not being ‘lefty’, nor ‘activist’: they are doing their professional duty. It is simply unconscionable for Her Majesty’s Government to decry in this way the actions of professionals who … are not at liberty to do otherwise.”

    http://www.advocates.org.uk/news-and-responses/news/2020/oct/dean-s-open-letter-to-pm-and-home-secretary

    Posted 11 months ago #
  19. chdot
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  20. chdot
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  21. chdot
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    EU leaders tell UK: accept our trade conditions or expect a no-deal Brexit

    Macron insists there is no margin for negotiation over French fishing rights

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/15/uk-must-make-necessary-moves-for-brexit-deal-leaked-eu-document

    Posted 11 months ago #
  22. chdot
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    Boris Johnson says UK should prepare for a no-deal Brexit and 'Australia-style' future

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/oct/16/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-local-restrictions-lockdown-tier-2-covid-brexit-latest-updates

    Posted 11 months ago #
  23. I were right about that saddle
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    Afghanistan-style future.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  24. chdot
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    Headline now altered -

    UK must prepare for no-deal Brexit and 'Australia-style' trade

    Posted 11 months ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
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    Key question: if they go through with this will they or not implement the protocol on Northern Ireland? They will come under sanctions if they break that agreement which, unlike the rest of the withdrawal agreement, is not time limited.

    If they do implement it they have to build an internal customs border across their own country.

    That or sanctions and, probably, war.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    They've always wanted No Deal, hence the charade of cakeism. This is just them starting the blame game to deflect from the chaos coming in January...

    Posted 11 months ago #
  27. Morningsider
    Member

    House of Lords report on the UK Internal Market Bill. They don't really hold back:

    The Bill adopts an unnecessarily heavy-handed approach to reconciling the demands of free trade within the UK and the need to respect the role and responsibilities of devolved institutions. It provides the UK Government with powers that could allow it to alter the competences of the devolved administrations in significant ways. As such, it risks de-stabilising this integral part of the UK’s constitutional arrangements—at a time when it has never been more important for central and devolved governments to work together effectively. These powers should be removed or subject to clearer duties of consultation and joint decision-making.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  28. SRD
    Moderator

    A colleague of mine referred to the EU as ‘polyfilla’ in the UK constitutional institutions. We’re only now realising all the holes that had been stopped up and kept in place now that it’s been removed.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  29. chdot
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    My bold

    “A lot of progress has been made on such issues as social security and aviation, nuclear cooperation, and so on,” he said, but “for whatever reason, it’s clear from the [EU] summit that after 45 years of [UK] membership they are not willing, unless there’s some fundamental change of approach, to offer this country the same terms as Canada”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/16/boris-johnson-tells-uk-prepare-for-a-no-deal-brexit

    Posted 11 months ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
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    Canada is a thinly populated, friendly, stable country on the other side of the Atlantic that does 75% of its trade with its nearest neighbour, the USA.

    The UK of GB&NI is a densely-populated unstable country run by aggressive idiots. It has a land border with the EU, a body with which it does 47% of its trade.

    There's your 'whatever reason'.

    Posted 11 months ago #

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