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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from LaidBack

  1. stiltskin
    Member

    Since about 1688/1707 when there was last a significant disruption to government. Let’s face it. Most Europeans countries have changed their Borders or have come into existence since then. I’m struggling to think of anywhere that has been as stable as here.

    I thought Iceland was part of Denmark until quite recently.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @stiltskin

    Can I just check what you mean by 'here'? Is that a reference to a geographical or political entity?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. stiltskin
    Member

    Well if it was a geographical entity & stability we would be talking about earthquakes

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

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  5. chdot
    Admin

    Not forgetting -


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  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @stiltskin

    Fair point. What is the name of the political entity you are referring to?

    I'm a bit mad for calling things by their real names.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    R4

    Irish Europe Minister saying ‘no deal Brexit could cost 4 times as much as Coronavirus’.

    Seems unlikely.

    But...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    In principle their decision isn't too complex. Since 2016 they have known, or ought to have known, that they can only pick any two out of these three things;

    1) Great Britain outside of the SM, CU and CJEU jurisdiction
    2) The UK of GB&NI as a single customs territory
    3) The Good Friday agreement

    They are currently demanding all three but they can't have them. Mr Johnson previously agreed to take 1) and 3), after Mrs May suggested 2) and 3) and lost her job. Obviously the UVF will try to kill Mr Johnston if he persists with this.

    If I was Mr Johston I would get a sick note from my mum and hide in my bedroom this week, letting Mr Gove take the helm, blame, and assassination attempts.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I am at a loss to even imagine what these lunatics are up to.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/freeports-bidding-process-opens-for-applications

    The link to the prospectus that should be live isn't quelle surprise.

    So Kent, Northern Ireland and ten coastal cities are all going to become distinct customs areas? Yes?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. wingpig
    Member

    The United Administrative Limbozones? Perhaps they're planning to class them as embassies so that they don't have to countenance any new and illegal form of geopolitical exception.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    There would certainly be revenue opportunities if dark site prisons could be established as in Diego Garcia, Cuba and Afghanistan.

    I like the idea of the entirety of Grimsby becoming an embassy of Kazakhstan.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    Bidding process in England opens to establish at least seven new Freeports. The first are expected in 2021

    Whatever the merits of Freeports, surely they should be in operation on January 1st!?...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. Morningsider
    Member

    There used to be freeports across the UK - Prestwick was one. No-one ever used them as the benefits were far outweighed by having to be located in places like...Prestwick. Anyway, the UK Government eventually forgot to renew the regulations underpinning them and everyone now pretends that they never existed.

    See Section 100A of the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979 and associated regulations, e.g. The Free Zone (Prestwick Airport) Designation Order 1984. Actually don't, they are as dull as they sound.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  15. crowriver
    Member

    "Companies just don't flock to the Black Sea coast of Bulgaria to avoid VAT on transhipped goods."

    I wouldn't be too sure about that. I'm aware of a lot of logistics operations setting up in Bulgaria over the past decade. However, Bulgaria is of course an EU member state.....also average salaries are a fraction of those in the UK.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  17. chdot
    Admin

    As the two sides re-engaged in the troubled discussions, with less than seven weeks to go before the end of the transition period, Ireland’s foreign minister, Simon Coveney, said the negotiations were “not in a good place” on fishing rights.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/16/major-breakthrough-needed-to-avert-no-deal-brexit-says-irish-minister

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Every single Russell Group university is more valuable to the UK of GB&NI than the entire fishing industry.

    Food is important, people on these islands should eat fish but the London regime are bat-poop crazy.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    So, errr....Theresa May's Festival of Brexit is real.

    Not too sure what the staff of Napier and Strathclyde universities will think of their employers' involvement. Or the John Muir Trust or the V&A at Dundee or the Edinburgh International Festival.

    The mind boggles at the staff meetings in prospect.

    https://www.festival2022.uk/the-r-d-the-30-creative-teams

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    @IWRATS, indeed, Bulgaria has been known in the past for various creative "import/export" schemes.

    From your document:

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    Free ports are warehouses in free zones, which were – originally – intended as spaces to store merchandise in transit. They have since become popular for the storage of substitute assets, including art, precious stones, antique, gold and wine collections – often on a permanent basis. Apart from secure storage, sales arguments in the free port business include the deferral of import duties and indirect taxes such as VAT or user tax as well as a high degree of secrecy.

    The best-known free ports catering for 'investment art' are those in Geneva, Luxembourg, Singapore, Beijing, Monaco and Delaware. It is commonly understood that these jurisdictions consider a free port an addition to their attraction as an offshore financial centre.

    ---

    This fits perfectly with London's role as an alleged money washing financial services hub. No wonder the government is keen on free ports...

    In related news, Joe Biden was Senator for Delaware from 1973 to 2009. So his attitudes to tax avoidance schemes may be quite "relaxed".

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    EU vote on Brexit deal could be delayed until 28 December

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/16/major-breakthrough-needed-to-avert-no-deal-brexit-says-irish-minister

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    It was always obvious (to me at least) that when it became clear Brexit would be a colossal disaster, when reality was staring Tories in the face and could no longer be waved away, then they would turn on those they view as the "enemy within". Defeat by external powers (who have been made into enemies) looms, so to placate angry, bewildered Brexiters, put the blame on more traditional foes: the Irish, and the Scots.

    The Internal Market Bill, and Johnson's recent comments about devolution, are just the beginning of an assault on Scotland's democratic institutions, which will of course be portrayed as a way of restoring a mythic "unity". One people, one party, one kingdom...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I think you're right. Some dark days ahead.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Things are going to get quite nasty when Great Britain enters its Mauritania-style global trade deal on New Year's Day.

    Brexit might have been survivable with national consensus and twenty years' planning and reserving.

    They'll have a month and they're starting a screaming match and there's a pandemic on. And if they break the protocol on Northern Ireland they signed there's a real risk of violence.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. LaidBack
    Member

    Scottish Tory leader D.Ross is desperately trying to explain how BJ is right and wrong at same time. His view is that the problem is not with devolution it's with the SNP winning Holyrood elections and the 'soft ride' they get by Scotland's media (which is actually mainly hostile).
    Of course if Holyrood didn't exist the pro Indy block at Westminster would still suggest that Scotland is heading in a different direction.
    Polls suggest that people here are keen to continue a close relationship with Europe. Feedback from our EU contacts suggest they fully expect Scotland to govern itself a bit more.
    D.Ross is expecting that people in Scotlsnd will wise up and realise that they are in danger of being punished further for a failure to support his party.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. amir
    Member

  29. chdot
    Admin

  30. crowriver
    Member

    @LaidBack, yes it's quite simple.

    Either Scotland votes the Tories in at Holyrood next year, or else they'll start dismantling the devolution settlement bit by bit, just to show us who's really in charge around here. As Tory MP Andrew Bowie said just last month, "This Internal Market Bill is just the start. The UK Government is back in Scotland. Get used to it."

    If the SNP call an advisory referendum without Johnson's consent, that would be the perfect pretext to impose Direct Rule on Scotland, as they did with Norn Iron.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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