Time to stock up on tinned vegetables and vitamin pills.
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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Posted 4 years ago #
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That last sentence could be tacked onto pretty much any article talking about westminster:
But search as you may, you will find no one in government who gives a damn.
I'm not sure whether it's scary, alarming, depressing or all three.
Posted 4 years ago # -
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Boris the Menace? Beano to publish first comic for grownups
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Posted 4 years ago # -
As advertised on TV...
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EU commission statement imminent (apparently).
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This? 1m ago
12:10
The European Union has reached a deal with U.S. biotech firm Moderna for the supply of up to 160 million doses of its Covid-19 vaccine candidate, the president of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen has said.The deal will be formally approved by the EU executive on Wednesday, von der Leyen said.
Posted 4 years ago # -
Sorry - normally very reliable source getting a bit over excited.
Posted 4 years ago # -
easily done these days!
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“normally very reliable source”
But did they say ‘brexit’, or did you just assume??
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Note that the Chancellor of HM Exchequer said nowt about Brexit today. Instead, the predictions of 2.6m unemployed next year are all blamed on the pandemic. Government strategy of mentioning Brexit as little as possible seems to be succeeding in making folk forget about it. Meanwhile...
"The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, has warned David Frost that without a major negotiating shift by Downing Street within the next 48 hours he will pull out of the Brexit negotiations in London this weekend, pushing the talks into a fresh crisis."
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Tbf the impact of Brexit will be insignificant and simply swallowed by the 15 to 20 year impact of Covid.
I'm no fan of it but if you were to engineer a scenario where it had least impact, this would be it.
Same for Indy, I quite like the idea of it, but was put off by the massive financial detriment that would have come with it (be honest Indy folk the -ve arguments are the same as for Brexit), however, if I'm going to be skint for 20 years anyway I may as well be skint in an independent country.
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Tbf the impact of Brexit will be insignificant and simply swallowed by the 15 to 20 year impact of Covid.
Will that still be your position if the next phase in the 800 year war in Ireland begins next year?
They have to put a border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland or Northern Ireland and Ireland.
The first will enrage the UVF and their friends, the second will unite the IRA and the EU and the UN in opposition.
Posted 4 years ago # -
they'll plump for the former, don't you think?
it was always seen as shady interzone bandit country anyways
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“they'll plump for the former, don't you think“
Yes.
The advantage of a ‘border down the Irish Sea’ is that it will be invisible and amorphous.
Won’t really affect anyone - unless they have to travel or export between two bits of the ‘United Kingdom’.
Useful experiment for any future loosening of coherence...
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"it was always seen as shady interzone bandit country anyways"
Might you be referring to the Kingdom of Dalriada?
Perhaps we'll see the revival of smuggling along the west coast of Scotland. Border control at main ports of entry will be relatively easy to enforce, but there are countless coves and beaches where small craft can land. The Irish Sea could become similar to a colder, windier version of the Straits of Gibraltar...
Posted 4 years ago # -
@bax
Yes. A shady intercalendrical zone and a small war will both be attractive to the British regime.
Posted 4 years ago # -
Does this mean the bridge isn’t getting built anymore?
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@gembo
The bridge is every bit as likely as it ever was. An iron commitment is an iron commitment.
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Was a very good radio bit about Cairnryan and Larne. Neither have any infra ready till later in 2021. Cairnryan has no capacity to stack trucks on access roads. Expect trucks heading towards port will be stopped miles away (Stranraer). Trucks coming from Cumbria may be stopped at Dumfries and Galloway border (Mundell will love that). No paperwork = no entry. Bit like Kent in the south.
Commentators say the access roads to port are narrow. Last time I sailed to NI was when Seacat did it from Ardrossan. The froth from your Guinness sure got blown about when the 'cat' started shifting! Straight into the centre of Belfast - flotsam and jetsam damaged the hulls though and they were retired.
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@crowriver aye, Dalriada, no less
was attacked once by a rabid dark dog intent on preventing my ascent of Dunadd
who knows what it all means
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I just wrote to Ian Murray to ask him - and the Parliamentary Labour Party - to abstain if Bojo somehow magics up a deal for them to vote on.
Posted 3 years ago # -
@SRD
Why? What difference would that make?
Posted 3 years ago # -
Because I think Labour would be making a big mistake to lend support to the Tories. And I don’t see this as zero sum party politics.
Kudos to my MP - He answered with half an hour and we have now had another exchange back and forth. I will take pity on him and not prolong it further.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Mr Murray is a very responsive MP. And very wily. There is no way he will vote for any aspect of Brexit. That would be death in haute-Remainer Edinburgh South, even for him.
Labour whipped its MPs to vote for Article 50 notice without any preconditions so that party must bear its responsibility for what is about to hit us. I consider that as long as Mr Murray remains a member of a pro-Brexit party he should be treated as such. This is sad as he is, I suspect, a fundamentally decent type deep down.
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Andy Burnham also on a mission, if London were int tier three they’d get us money.
P.s. what do you call Will I Am in Madchester?
Answer Will I Eck erslike.
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“if Bojo somehow magics up a deal for them to vote on”
I thought the ‘story’ was that ‘in the tunnel stage, the negotiators make the deal’.
In reality this seems most unlikely, but Boris isn’t actually doing any negotiating(?)
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IF there’s a deal, is it expected that ALL the Tories will vote for it, (many will think it’s worse than no deal)?
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“There is no way he will vote for any aspect of Brexit. That would be death in haute-Remainer Edinburgh South, even for him.”
That’s what I think too. But there is a risk Labour would then be blamed for no deal.
I am not convinced, but others may have a better sense of public opinion (tabloid front covers?) than me.
Posted 3 years ago # -
@chdot exactly. ERG may vote against. Or abstain. It’s a numbers game, I guess.
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