https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/04/france-could-veto-bad-brexit-deal-macron-ally-warns
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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Neil Kinnock: Backing Brexit deal politically 'lethal' for Labour
Former party leader tells colleagues in private Boris Johnson must be made to ‘own outcome’ of deal
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The Scottish National party and the Liberal Democrats have not yet made a final decision on how they will vote, but one concern on the Labour benches is the risk that with critical Holyrood elections coming up next year, a vote for a deal would allow Labour to be lumped together with the Tories.
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Labour are already lumped together with the Tories. Three line whip to support Article 50 notice with no plan and no preconditions. They need to take responsibility for what they have done.
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He said he was confident there would be a trade deal in the coming days, because to walk the UK and 27 EU countries over a cliff edge on 1 January would be a failure of politics.
“I find it almost impossible to believe that politicians on both sides would allow our countries to slip into no deal. The mutual interest in getting a deal has genuinely never been stronger post-pandemic – or mid-pandemic,” he said.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/04/uk-business-leaders-brexit-red-tape-tidal-deal
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So sorted then -
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Johnson and Von der Leyen to take over with direct talks
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/04/france-could-veto-bad-brexit-deal-macron-ally-warns
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The Warrington site is one of 10 “inland border facilities” the government is opening to cope with lorry congestion around key ports including Dover and to provide facilities for HMRC checks on customs declarations for goods coming into the country.
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This’ll be the Europe ‘we’ are leaving...
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The cool thing about long-distance cycle paths here in Europe: They are well-paved, smooth asphalt for hundreds of kilometers. Which makes them perfect for any bike, be it with indestructible trekking tires or rock hard road bike tires – as long as it is comfortable, you’re ready to go. The routes are well-marked, too, from beginning to end. Theoretically, at least. Being old stagers with a couple of miles among us, we advise you to save the whole route to your smartphone, as a friendly gesture to your muscles and your nerves ;)
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No 10 offers to drop internal market bill clauses if EU deal agreed
The clauses in question being the ones which would put the UK in breach of international law. Why does this sound like saying: "If you give me what I want, I won't shoot myself in the foot"? A certain scene from Blazing Saddles comes to mind...
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The British have now reinstated the crazy clauses in their bill. If you try to put yourself in the shoes of the EU it is very hard to imagine how you can conclude that they are a trust-worthy group with whom to conclude a complex legal agreement about serious matters that concern the welfare of the EU's citizens.
The British and English supremacists who govern the UK of GB&NI cannot bear sharing power with anyone, neither the EU nor devolved administrations. That is what this bill is about - wrecking relations with the EU and reducing devolution to a bleak farce.
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@IWRATS, alas I fear you are correct. The current UK government is Janus faced. It pretends it is doing everything it can to negotiate a trade deal, while simultaneously working to undermine the withdrawal agreement signed only months ago, and the devolution settlement negotiated with Scotland, Wales and NI.
It would seem some referendums need to be respected more than others...
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@crowiver
They is makin' fools of us!
In view of these mutually agreed solutions, the UK will withdraw clauses 44, 45 and 47 of the UK internal market bill, and not introduce any similar provisions in the taxation bill.
Michael Gove there, admitting that the UK of GB&NI makes laws purely as negotiating ploys. Mutha of Parliaments.
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So, if I read this correctly, the UK's Michael Gove is "delighted" that he has negotiated.....a complete capitulation to the terms of the withdrawal agreement?
Er...result!
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The Graun is less circumspect:
UK drops plans to break international law as Northern Ireland deal is reached
Threat to disapply Northern Ireland protocol lifted as UK and EU agree Brexit deal on goods crossing Irish sea
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...one reason to include those lawbreaking clauses is, if you are a Conservative and Unionist government planning to roll back parts of devolution within the United Kingdom that has signed up to putting a border up in your own country, and you don’t at least make a glancing attempt to address that in your Internal Market Bill, then you risk an internal eruption among more committed Unionist members of your party if you don’t at least pretend to try.
We can’t be sure what is happening here: is the United Kingdom removing an important barrier to a free trade agreement, or is the United Kingdom removing an important and dangerous variable in the event of a no-deal Brexit? Are we seeing the political management of a planned no deal exit play out or are we witnessing the collapse of a fact-free, bravado-heavy approach to forcing a deal? Either remains possible at this stage.
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Number 10 has confirmed Boris Johnson will travel to Brussels tomorrow for dinner with Ursula Von Der Leyen for a make-or-break summit on the future relationship between the UK and the EU.
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Ratcliffe, a vocal Brexit supporter who recently left the UK for tax-free Monaco, said Hambach had presented the company with “a unique opportunity that we simply could not ignore”.
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Downing Street said the prime minister would join the European commission president at its Berlaymont headquarters on Wednesday evening, where the leaders would seek to break the Brexit impasse over a three-course meal.
Johnson will take prime minister’s questions in the House of Commons before flying from RAF Northolt to Brussels to dine with Von der Leyen, armed with a memo from his chief negotiator, David Frost, on the remaining obstacles to a historic trade and security deal with the EU. He will return to Downing Street after the discussions.
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SO. ‘the future’ hangs on two people having a meal together?
This is how the world works??
Will Boris have read the memo???
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@chdot, par for the course apparently. As I quoted last week:
"The wobble in the talks could tee-up a long-expected arbitration meeting between Boris Johnson, and the European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen. It has long been thought that the choreography of a deal would require a stormy moment before agreement was finally signed at a political level."
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Douglas Ross leader of the Tory group in Scotland said on radio two weeks ago that he was not comfortable with the IMB breaking international law.
Yet on Monday evening he and the Tory MPs he leads in Scotland voted with the rest to plough on - ignoring the amendments from the HoL to ditch the illegal parts of bill.
Then yesterday M Gove said that the law breaking parts of the IMB are to be removed.
So his orginal doubts were correct.This shows how useless the Tories are at politics here. If D Ross and co had abstained they could have taken some political points - standing up for whatever it is they believe... Could even have claimed their non support of the IMB influenced the about turn ... No that would be too ridiculous as views from Scotland are generally ignored!
I know moral and legal arguments are wasted on them - just ignore this post.
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It's not looking good.
Johnson's use of the phrase “Our friends in the EU" is reminiscent of the admonishment favoured by the Russian foreign ministry when displeased with (usually) US or UK duplicity: "Our Western partners".
No wonder the UK's chief negotiator was aptly titled Baron Frost.
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boris must be steamboats by now
he'll be on the brandy
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Brexit: Trade talks between Boris Johnson and EU chief end without agreement
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55249561
(Fish was on the menu. Calculated insult or what? Chortle).
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Graun more upbeat, interestingly.
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Boris Johnson and EU agree to extend Brexit talks for another 72 hours
PM and EU’s Ursula von der Leyen agree at Brussels dinner to pull back from no-deal departure
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I am with Monbiot on this one. We are watching a proxy civil war between the two biggest factions of extractive capitalism.
The Brexit backers (the money, not the precariat of Middlesbrough or the racists of Godalming) want capitalism without regulation or democracy. The EU and the old-school City want capitalism with a veneer of regulation and democracy. Mr Johnson has been tasked with;
1) Exempting favoured business from regulation in the UK
2) Rolling back democracy in the UK
3) Fracturing the regulatory framework of the European single market1) and 2) are well under way. The EU would do well to pour concrete into the channel tunnel but their weakness is Northern Ireland, which they may now have to abandon.
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The EU are making formal preparations for the catastrophe the London regime is working hard to deliver.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2368
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From link
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Readiness and preparedness for 1 January 2021 is now more important than ever. Disruption will happen with or without an agreement between the EU and the UK on their future relationship. This is the natural consequence of the United Kingdom's decision to leave the Union and to no longer participate in the EU Single Market and Customs Union. The Commission has always been very clear about this.
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