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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from LaidBack

  1. chdot
    Admin

    British holidaymakers will be barred from the European Union from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules

    Well Brexit was about isolationism, wasn’t it??

    EU might actually be doing UK a favour (re Covid).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

  3. chdot
    Admin

    “Temporary relaxation of the EU drivers’ hours”

    That’ll improve road safety...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. neddie
    Member

    So who will be the first person to be directly killed because of Brexit?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Difficult to define, but realistically it will already have happened.

    CERTAINLY because of other policies of a party/Gov that backed Brexit.

    I won’t list all the policies that impacted on people’s physical, mental and financial health.

    (Not to mention the reluctance to properly encourage ActiveTravel infrastructure.)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    "The Brexit backers (the money, not the precariat of Middlesbrough or the racists of Godalming) want capitalism without regulation or democracy."

    Except not all of them do, when push comes to shove. The Brexit backing Ineos vulture has not only moved himself and his HQ out of the UK, he's building his "British" Land Rover Defender clone in France...

    Capitalism is as Capitalism does...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    "EU might actually be doing UK a favour (re Covid)."

    Indeed. If this ban had been in place this year, it might have helped prevent quite a few Covidiot super spreader incidents...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. Frenchy
    Member

    So who will be the first person to be directly killed because of Brexit?

    Jo Cox?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    “Jo Cox?“

    Good (bad) suggestion.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

  11. chdot
    Admin

    Like Volkan, I am among tens of thousands of couriers in New York City, suddenly thrust to the frontlines of a deadly global pandemic. It was already a dangerous job – our injury rates run up to 44 times those of the average American job; seven of us were killed in New York in 2019 alone – and it has become far more dangerous now. We are called “heroes” and finally being acknowledged as “essential”, but the truth is this job was never the first choice for many of us.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/food-courier-coronavirus-pandemic-new-york

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  13. chdot
    Admin

    From link -

    These really spoke to me. Because I can see that many people really feel let down. Exasperated.

    But many were tired of hunting for old, recycled opportunities in the financial media.

    Tired of big promises that never seem to pan out. Tired of looking at their pension pots with a sinking feeling in their stomachs.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    Boris now says ‘more likely to have Australian deal than Canadian one’.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    Let the panic buying commence!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    Johnson going the full Sergei Lavrov now: "...our friends and partners in the EU..."

    Batten down the hatches, chums, "Australia" here we come!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    An Afghan style deal holds no fear for me. Britain has defeated Afghanistan five times.

    No hang on.

    Oh.

    Other way round.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    Afghans also beaten the Russians, Alexander the Great , Sean Connery and Michael Caine.

    The issue in fighting an Afghan war is length of the supply chain.

    This is also going to be the issue in fighting the EU

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. crowriver
    Member

    Let's hope the Brexit buccaneers' attempt to do battle with Brussels doesn't turn into a reboot of the retreat from Moscow (whether the Napoleonic or Wermacht versions).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    This looks like "fun".

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    UK business travellers to EU 'face fines' over post-Brexit permits

    Industry leaders warn those doing service work as well as visiting conferences will be affected

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/10/uk-business-travellers-to-eu-face-fines-over-post-brexit-permits

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Any historians on here?

    Folk used to say Brexit was paralleled by Henry VIII's split with Rome. I'm seeing more the Glorious Revolution where a foreign army overthrew the state and deposed the monarch but were then incorporated as part of domestic English history rather than invaders.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

  23. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I guess they both need to compromise.

    I think the major sticking point now is that the EU wants the UK to follow it's regulations forever more, or unilatteraly be punished (by tarrifs) if it diverges over time.

    Now if you are the UK and your main reason for leaving is peceived sovereignty that square peg just aint going to fit.

    So essentially the UK can't get a 'Canada' deal because of it's proximilty to the EU, and the perceived threat of divergence giving the UK a competative advantage.

    I don't beleive Canada, or any other country with a trade deal with the EU have to be in alignment with EU regs, hence the UK frustration.

    We'd be better off if they scrapped the whole thing but it's gone way too far now.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

  25. chdot
    Admin

    Boris in Blyth today on no deal B

    ‘Will be wonderful for the UK, will be able to do exactly what we want from January 1st’

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    Translation: ‘Will be wonderful for me, I will be able to do exactly what I want from January 1st’

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    That’s a fair translation of what he thinks will happen.

    I suspect he will find that a lot of people won’t be able to do what they want in January, and will blame him.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

  29. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    It's a catastrophic failure of every single power structure in the UK of GB&NI. Nobody could stop a thing nobody wants from happening. Northern Ireland was only partly shielded from the disaster because it's only partly in the UK of GB&NI.

    Everybody and everything else has failed. Voters, press, TV, Wesminster, Lords, Holyrood, civil service, Cardiff, Stormont, London Assembly, business associations, trade unions the lot. Completely useless in the face of a diabolically crafted attack.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    But but but

    ‘We’ (not us...) get to rule the waves again!

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/11/four-navy-ships-to-help-protect-uk-waters-in-case-of-no-deal-brexit

    Will Admiral Boris sink with his country?

    Posted 3 years ago #

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