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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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@bax, yeah I think you've got the measure of him.
@chdot, "I suspect he will find that a lot of people won’t be able to do what they want in January"
I suspect he doesn't really care. He just wants his Henry VIII prerogative powers, and the plebs can go to Hell in a handcart...
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“and the plebs can go to Hell in a handcart”
Yes, but it’s NOT going to be just the plebs.
(Though to him, plebs may well be everyone except him and his mates.)
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Is it just me or does the PM actually seems to inwardly smirk when he says we've tried everything to get a deal - knowing he didn't want one and how annoyed everyone will be with him. Centre of attention etc... Fly to ends of the earth, eat dinners then sign up to nothing...
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@chdot, I think you're cottoning on...
@Laiback, yes it's all a big pantomime, a charade.
"Oh we tried everything, but those dreadful 'friends and partners' in the EU wouldn't give us back what is indisputably ours, the precious sovereignty that is the birthright of every Englishman. So we just had to walk away, so we can enjoy our Freedom!"
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Beebly Newsnicht with Kristy Wark-Clements Productions had a different take on the situation. For them and their pundits, Johnson is facing humiliation in the face of a united EU. A witless leader who hasn't realised Brexitania has already left the club - he can no longer chummily ring up Merkel and Macron for a last minute chinwag to extract a few friendly concessions. Instead he is forced to go through the rather more distant chief EU Mandarin Von Leyden. There were even comparisons made to the treatment meted out to Greece after the financial crisis. The EU can afford to let the UK twist in the breeze for a few months before coming back, tail between legs, to beg for a deal. Pundits also acknowledged that Johnson and supportive media outlets are spinning it as the EU giving Johnson no choice but to flounce out on WTO terms.
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Mr Ellwood talks like he's not directly responsible for the current situation which is curious because he is.
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former EU commissioner Chris Patten accused the prime minister of behaving like an “English nationalist”.
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No kidding.
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We're off to never-never land.
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What about never, never, never (land)??
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British and EU negotiators have re-engaged in Brussels for the final hours of the Brexit talks ahead of the latest deadline, as the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, pinned hopes for a breakthrough on a telephone call between the prime minister and European commission president.
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Brexit talks to continue as Johnson and EU agree to 'go the extra mile'
Prime minister and EC president say both sides have responsibility to continue talking
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Well, this'll work...
Bare shelves in supermarkets by Wednesday, folks!
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Britons told not to stockpile food ahead of January
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55293595
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“For the first time,” Barnier said, the UK government had “accepted a mechanism of unilateral measures” in case of systemic divergences which distort trade and investment. “But this mechanism needs to be credible, effective and quick,” he added. “We are working on this.”
However, talks on a deal over fishing had gone backwards, Barnier said. Even so, he told politicians and diplomats in Brussels that a “narrow path” to a deal could now be seen.
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Can we have a show of hands? Who thinks these things are being done for them and who thinks they are being done to them?
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I feel that nothing emanating from a Tory government is for my benefit and certainly can never advantage Scotland.
Our business runs despite them and their desire to hack off / discourage our direct contacts with suppliers in EU.
Endless talks does mean endless speculation.
Speculation makes speculators very wealthy. So things are going just fine if your JRM & co.Posted 3 years ago # -
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Heavy rain has hampered work on Sevington site, designed to relieve queues around Dover from 1 January
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/kent-lorry-park-to-miss-brexit-day-deadline
Just as well it won’t be needed...
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Word on the street is that a deal is looking increasingly likely - arrangements for ratification are in the works.
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Excellent. Can't wait to see what they've done to us.
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Suspect we'll keep the fish, and they'll keep us alligned to EU standards forevermore.
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despite the manufactured confusion some sort of deal was always happening, the alternative was just too grotesque..
both sides needed to spin it out to the last possible week so that the ratifying parties had no room left to wiggle
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"both sides needed to spin it out to the last possible week so that the ratifying parties had no room left to wiggle"
Could be something in that. Not so much a negotiating tactic as a blackmail tactic: back this deal or we're doomed...
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What do these weirdos want the fish for?
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Bloomberg
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Barnier’s Narrow Path: How a Brexit Deal Could Be Done This Week
Brexit negotiators got back to work in Brussels this week as they push to complete a trade accord before the U.K. leaves the European Union’s single market on Dec. 31....
Barnier said that if fishing rights can be settled, then the deal could come this week. But he warned that there’s also a risk the talks could drag on right up to the Dec. 31 deadline, and could eventually end in failure.
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Scottish airfield earmarked as post-Brexit lorry park
An old military airfield near the Scottish town of Stranraer has been earmarked as an emergency lorry park in case of major delays at ferry terminals linking the country with Northern Ireland.
Transport Scotland, a government agency, has been struggling to find space to stack lorries if there are significant hold-ups at two ferry terminals at Cairnryan, to the alarm of freight operators.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/kent-lorry-park-to-miss-brexit-day-deadline
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Beyond fishing, the two sides are also unable to agree on the terms of the UK’s involvement in the EU’s Erasmus student exchange scheme.
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'The UK only wants to fund student exchanges and opt out of “cooperation actions” through which senior university academics across Europe get together to share ideas. Barnier has told representatives in Brussels that the UK was “cherrypicking”. '
How typically mean-spirited on Johnson and his mob. Happy to hold the country to ransom over the interests of some millionaire trawler owners, but academics co-operating with European colleagues? That will never do.
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