This took a while...
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Downing Street’s chief Brexit negotiator, Lord Frost, said the agreement would allow “national renewal” and permit the UK to “set its own laws again”.
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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More details of the Turing scheme: basically grant aid for UK students only. Sounds like it's means tested too.
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Le Monde said the country was now facing a dilemma from over half a century ago. “The United Kingdom finds itself once again facing a question that was never resolved after 1945: its place in the world,” wrote Philippe Bernard. “Its like Back to the Future, from the 1950s.“
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The Rock soon to be joining the Schengen area, no less...
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Poor move by the SNP voting against the treaty. Should have just upped sticks and come home, left the rUK MPs to their bleak charade.
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You mean just for the next vote?
Premature to abandon before SP election.
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Brexit seems to have made the Labour party mad.
"The decision to adopt iron-age warlordism is not one with which we necessarily agreed but let us now look forward to building the best wattle huts possible and extending life expectancy into the thirties for goatherd and spelt-grinder alike!"
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Possibly.
Or perhaps just its leader.
Whatever it does, short term advantage doesn’t seem secure.
Long term existence even less so.
At a time when ‘tensions mean the SNP is bound to split’, not clear what there is to keep the LP together. Its existence in Scotland might be more secure IF it manages to distance itself from the Westminster bit. (Easier said than done of course.)
Political parties have no right to expect to continue to exist. Difficult to see any sort of party emerging with a set of policies that have much to offer or credibility with enough voters.
Obviously this is next to impossible with FPTP, but could be possible in Scotland - or at least a wider range of individual and small party MSPs as was the case at the start of the SP.
In the context of post-Brexit, will the SNP and Greens actively promote a policy of rejoining EU (in the context of Indy).
And the chances of SLab asking for votes on a platform of ‘in UK AND EU’??
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Alyn Smith misses eating out in Brussels (don't we all?) and the SNP's policy appears to be that Scotland joining the EU is something we already voted on despite the fact we never did.
Pretty sure those words are not Sir Starmer's own but a triangulated pitch to what he thinks his coalition is. Ian Murray and Daniel Johnson likely drinking heavily.
If you want something destroyed put someone privately educated in charge of it?
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@IWRATS: If you want something destroyed put someone privately educated in charge of it?
Throughout history Britain’s ruling class has created crisis after crisis – just like now.
Which quotes the following passage from John Le Carré, via his mouthpiece George Smiley:
“The privately educated Englishman – and Englishwoman, if you will allow me – is the greatest dissembler on Earth. Was, is now and ever shall be for as long as our disgraceful school system remains intact. Nobody will charm you so glibly, disguise his feelings from you better, cover his tracks more skilfully or find it harder to confess to you that he’s been a damned fool.”
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@chdot - In the context of post-Brexit, will the SNP and Greens actively promote a policy of rejoining EU.
This is inherited I think from the cross border alliances that formed as Jo Swinson, Alistair Campbell et al tried to gather enough pan UK support to stop Brexit in 2018. This even had some media traction with Channel 4. LibDems had mistakenly believed that Scotland would have easily returned 48 LibDem MPS and this would have stopped it (ie the Tories couldn't ignore the will of Scottish LibDems even if England did its own thing?) SNP took that ground so still their policy?
EFTA is favoured route by Lelsley Riddoch and the Nordic Horizons group. Not so many political positions maybe but could lunch in Geneva, Brussels and Luxembourg.
Whatever ahppens Scotland has to be in some trading block or allied to one. If UK one I fear further centralisation to gatekeepers - usually in the south. We (ie LB) have direct relations with EU already - don't need more 'UK distributors' taking a share.
Neither SNP or Greens of course are interested in joining the House of Lords - so no lunch opportunities there. Not that it will win them any plaudits in the highly skewed media.
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Yeah, that'll work.
Dalriada smuggling operations gearing up to full speed already I imagine.....plenty of opportunities in the west of Scotland for their brethren.
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Government warns against using Ulster loophole to dodge customs limits
Three days before the UK leaves the European Union, the government has warned travellers against exploiting Northern Ireland’s unique post-Brexit customs status to circumvent new import rules. There are fears that smugglers – dubbed “Belfast bootleggers” – may take advantage of the absence of checks between the EU and Northern Ireland to move goods to Great Britain without paying duty and tax.
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That's the enabling act published. Five hour Zoom call bish bosh country renewed/destroyed*
*The glass is half full but is it vintage Champagne or water from Kinshasa's sewer system?
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I struggle to raise much sympathy for the fishing industry. Voted Leave almost to a man (and I phrase it that way deliberately), almost all forms of industrial fishing are so unsustainable it beggars belief and the dodging and flouting of existing quotas and restrictions was/is legendary.
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“Voted Leave almost to a man”
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I think that’s less so in Scotland, but the rest is all true!Posted 3 years ago # -
"I think that’s less so in Scotland"
Maybe, but I recall Banff and Buchan had a Leave majority. Has also returned Tory MPs since 2017 despite being Salmond's old fiefdom (and on a couple of occasions back in the day, one of only 3 Westminster constituencies the SNP held).
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Scottish Fisherman's Federation very pro-Brexit. Now crying foul after not being able to "take back control" of Scotland's waters and getting a worse deal than under the CFP which they urged the government to withdraw from ASAP.
Reminds me of this English eel farmer:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1343885579323387908
They helped make this Bürach, they can own it.
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This may or may not be true (and I don’t know how many people are covered).
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The west coast fishermen were against Brexit from the first. It was only the toraidh ne owners who wanted it and only the toraidh owners that got publicity in the MSM, including stv.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/rodnoise56/status/1316026656075608067
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@chdot I can believe that about the West Coast. Longer distances for the 'competition' to cover. Plus more shellfish based whose main markets are Spain and France.
Loch Leven (the Ballachulish one) Seafood Cafe sells (sold?) Spanish pottery they could get shipped over cheap in the lorries coming to pick up the seafood from their wholesale business.
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The red tiles typical of East Lothian houses originally came as ballast in returning coal ships exporting to the Low Countries.
Lovely to think of Spanish pottery as ballast in lobster lorries.
I suppose the lobsters will all be landed in Northern Ireland now for onward shipment to Spain from Rosslare, bypassing Plague Island altogether.
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From link
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However, as a democrat, I accepted the outcome of the 2016 referendum, and believed the UK government had an obligation to deliver on the will of the people to leave the EU.
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Seems to be the Starmer view of things too.
I’m sure democracy wasn’t always like that.
Create a storm based on half-truths (or less).
Cave-in, call a referendum.
Trigger avalanche of fantasies and lies.
Etc.
Not saying that some people who wanted to leave the EU didn’t have rational reasons and a clear view of what could happen afterwards.
But until Brexit, wasn’t aware that “democracy” depended on a simplistic single question surrounded by some seriously dodgy activities.
AND it was binary.
FOR EVER
Sounds more like the end of democracy.
Certainly the end of some political process based on informed debate, verifiable facts (or at least some faith in ‘alternative facts’ being demonstrably lies) PLUS leadership...
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