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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from LaidBack

  1. LaidBack
    Member

    @chdot - Guardian article useful as it mentions fisheries in Cornwall too. Can take it as read that Scotland would be punished for voting 'incorrectly' but when this affects rUK too then government under pressure.
    National just posted this exchange. The Conservatories are imperial surealists.

    Sheppard said exiting the European bloc had been a "disaster”, and asked for a debate on compensation for the Scottish fishing industry.

    He said: “Boats confined to harbour, lorry loads of seafood destroyed, the industry losing £1 million a day as firms go bust – all as a result of Brexit red tape imposed by this Government.

    “Yet when asked about this yesterday, the Prime Minister refused to answer.”

    Rees-Mogg claimed in response that the "key thing is we’ve got our fish back", adding: “They’re now British fish and they’re better and happier fish for it.”
    Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle intervened and noted: “Obviously there’s no overwhelming evidence for that.”

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. gembo
    Member

    British fish? What will they be saying about this in Cape Cod?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    “Obviously there’s no overwhelming evidence for that.”

    Think that works for most Brexit claims!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

  5. chdot
    Admin

    Ms Macdonald said the Prime Minister and the government has "spun a line" about a 25% uplift in quota for the UK adding: "You know this is not true, and your deal does not deliver that".

    She added: "In your letter to me of July 6, you said: 'We are simply not prepared to agree to an arrangement that is manifestly unbalanced and against the interests of the UK fishing industry' Yet that is what has been agreed.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19016320.scots-fishermens-anger-fears-future-flock-denmark-sell-fish-brexit-chaos/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. LaidBack
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  7. chdot
    Admin

  8. crowriver
    Member

    "...a quieter and more modest existence, one that’s more sustainable and less frenetic, is what London needs – and what it will probably get, like it or not."

    See also Edinburgh...

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/13/simon-rattle-leaving-london-taste-future-concert-hall

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. LaidBack
    Member

    On twitter. Seafood trucks in Whitehall. BBC Scotland were ignoring but BBC UK picked up.

    Great to see Scottish shellfish trucks blockade Downing Street. Very difficult for @bbscotlandnews to ignore now it’s on the main U.K. news eh @GlennBBC ?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    There are 24 lorries here in total, overwhelmingly from Seafood exporters in Scotland. Businesses taking part say the Brexit trade deal has left their industry high and dry.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55706114

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. LaidBack
    Member

    Thanks @chdot
    .
    I expect Douglss Ross or Alistair Jack to be asked how they plan to fix this. But they'll hide and try to blame ScotGov for not being ready to implement the agreement they couldn't be bothered to read!

    STV are on Twitter too...

    Dozens of shellfish lorries from Scotland’s coastal communities have descended on central London to highlight the export problems they have faced due to Brexit. https://t.co/iodv4Ure9J https://t.co/Yf5fZzvCa2

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. chdot
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    “how they plan to fix this“

    Probably only if they get EU to agree to ‘British exceptionalism’...

    She has spent two years preparing to export into the EU after Brexit and had been confident after this week's catch that she had all the documentation she needed. £48,000 was already paid to a group of 25 fishers. But because of issues at the border the consignment was stuck in Portsmouth for 24 hours.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55631622

    If the problem was UK ports, would have been sorted by now(?)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    This is good from ITV news. Scroll to the foot of the page and wonder in astonishment at the trawler skipper from Greenock...

    He got what he voted for.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-14/how-brexit-brought-scotlands-fishing-industry-to-a-near-standstill

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

  15. crowriver
    Member

    Beebly Newstime carrying the UK gov'ner response to Brexity seafood protests: "Ministers insist it's a good trade deal for fishing communities across the UK".

    Sounds like a dismissal...

    This is going to be the way of it from now on, eh? Just tough it out.

    Brexit got done. They took back control. Get over it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. steveo
    Member

    Sounds like a dismissal

    Not really much else that can be done now.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The way it was always going to go was that they'd end up saying 'We did what you asked us to - not our fault if you can't use this new arrangement you insisted on.'

    Her Majesty's Government are but our humble servants after all.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. bill
    Member

    Many Australians were having lobster this Christmas since they were able to afford it after China banned Australian lobsters in Nov.
    I wish we were eating affordable langoustines et al here while the export stuff is getting sorted out.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    The fishing industry would obviously be a lot more sustainable (in most senses) if ‘local’ people ate what was caught around UK shores.

    Apart from changing their business models (looks like it’s that or no businesses) it would also be about persuading people to buy/eat a wider range of produce than salmon (mostly farmed), tuna (tinned) and cod!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Not sure many people on this island currently would know what to do if presented with a live lobster and lots of folk couldn't be bothered digging the flesh out of a cooked one.

    Getting the market for live seafood going here probably needs a change in the culinary culture. I mean even spoots and squatties and stuff folk just don't know what to do with them.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. crowriver
    Member

    "lots of folk couldn't be bothered digging the flesh out of a cooked one."

    Including me. I don't much care for seafood. Can just about stand mussels, prawns, shrimp. Tried crab, lobster but not a fan at all.

    Smoked mackerel, rollmop herring, delish.

    If there's not much market in the UK for langoustines, maybe (shock, horror) the creatures can be left in peace at the bottom of the sea?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    PM accuses Labour of stoking fear over universal credit cut, despite his use of tactic in Brexit debate

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/18/tories-oppose-universal-credit-cut-keir-starmer-labour

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    Don't Panic, Captain Mainwaring!

    As if by magic....the exports appeared.

    ---

    Small seafood firm exports from Scotland to EU 'resume'

    Exports of Scottish seafood from smaller companies to the EU have resumed, according to the transport company that handles most of the trade. DFDS stopped groupage exports on 8 January after delays in getting new paperwork for border posts in France.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-55707562

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. LaidBack
    Member

    Some good observations - could argue the seas are over-fished and the crabs and lobsters are now happy to be British (or Scottish) and have a longer life without being lured into creels and then cruelly exported alive.

    @crowriver - Mackerel is great, fresh haddock of course also.
    Apparently East Coast Scottish boats are still landing such fish in Denmark - this is allowed under the transition. But a lot of fuel to get to a harbour where they can get a half decent price.

    For people that can earn a living hammering at a keyboard it's easy to say how all things should be.

    - Fish should be caught and eaten locally

    - Bikes should be locally made or recycled - preferably non electric (although e-cargo bikes can be useful car replacements)

    Actually there's a new online mag out mapping out how we can 'shrink the economy'. I've sold hardly anything so far in '21 so far so I'm doing my bit. But I'm lucky enough to have property, some graphic design business and don't have to labour on the land or the sea.

    LESS – A Journal of Degrowth in Scotland, Issue 1 is now available to download until the end of January 2021.

    One of our talented forumers has done an illustration.

    https://enough.scot/2021/01/15/less-issue-1-online/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    A major British wine agent has described how his business is facing its biggest threat in 30 years because the government did not think through Brexit.

    ...

    “Wine per bottle on retail will increase by at least £1 per bottle for mass market products; for niche small batch wines you are looking at £1.50 or even £2.00 on the bottle prices. There’s another of those Brexit ‘dividends’,” he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/18/a-multiple-pile-up-in-the-fog-wine-agents-fury-at-brexit-red-tape

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. gembo
    Member

    But with Global warming we can grow our own grapes in the south of Scotland soon.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    Does that include Balerno?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. CocoShepherd
    Member

    Where can we buy all of this cheap fresh seafood that the fisheries are so desperate to sell? Personally I'd like to see market forces drive down prices to reflect the supply and demand imbalance. But something tells me it'll still be 3 quid a fillet at the 'mongers

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. dessert rat
    Member

    Côtes du Malleny Mills, mmmmmmmm sound delish.

    A nose of melted plastic, burnt moped and damp sheep. A true gift with distinctive notes of bitter clown tears with a hint of suspicion. Every sip brings reminisces of suntanning after a morning of mosquito bites, family conflict and tours of the local murder farm. Great as an accompaniment for anxiety and desolation. Ideally paired with otter.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    Just chug a bottle of Scotland's own Cairn O'Mohr fruit wine, made with Tayside soft berries. As I recall, the oak leaf wine is not bad, elderflower rather nice, and the blackberry bramble or blackcurrant elderberry quite quaffable too. Don't touch the strawberry or raspberry - far too sweet.

    My memory is hazy on the topic, possibly because it was thirty years ago and I'm afraid I got very, very, drunk.

    Company still going, I see.

    https://www.cairnomohr.com

    EDIT - I see their wines are stocked at my local off licence, literally end of the street. I will have to try them again for old time's sake...

    Posted 3 years ago #

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