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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from LaidBack

  1. gembo
    Member

    Balerno is quite elevated. We get snow when there is sunshine on Leith. Bramble wine is our only vinous product.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Another option is blaand which is a sort of white wine made from ewe's milk no I am not joking.

    I say 'option' you'd need to be quite determined to finish a bottle.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Like Kvass?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Is kvaas alcoholic? It is blaand's one acceptable characteristic.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    Fermented

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. LaidBack
    Member

    Just reading Lambert Wines tweet. Not holding back

    "This is the government’s fault and they don’t give a s**t about business. Boris Johnson said ‘rule 2 business’ and this is exactly what they are doing,”

    Party of inherited wealth and privilege. Notice how little notice they took of the seafood protests. Ch4 and ITV News ignored the fish trucks. STV did cover.

    Finally... our family holidays with bikes on train down to get ferry to France in the early 2000s were always fun and sad to think that may be even more difficult now. Goodwill out the window. Of course most people we knew would drive with bikes taken with their car and bring back crates of cheap French wine. Something hard to do on a bike via Virgin train.

    Lamberts at least know he has UK market and that no competitor will want to wade through 10,000 product codes! The gatekeepers to Fortress Britain will become wealthy - particularly the big EU HQd logistics firms.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    A cynic might conclude that making Scotland more fragile and dependent than before might not be a side-effect of this thing.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. Stickman
    Member

    Brexit will destroy the UK touring music industry. Conservative MP Andrew Bowie is trying to blame the SNP for this.

    https://twitter.com/andrewbowie_mp/status/1351529105825607685?s=21

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I have soiled not just my own nappy but the nappies of the entire nation. Will the right honourable gentleman take responsibility for the filthy loads I have deposited in everyone's crotches?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    Business secretary confirms post-Brexit review of UK workers' rights

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    According to the report in the Financial Times, proposals in the review also cover rules about breaks at work, and removing overtime pay when calculating certain holiday pay entitlements. Another proposal would be to get rid of the requirement for businesses to log information about daily working hours, to save on administration costs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/19/business-secretary-confirms-post-brexit-review-uk-workers-rights

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    @IWRATS, last night I had a "lively exchange of views" on Tweetor, with someone who appeared to be a Welsh Lexit supporter of IndyWales.

    When I opined that Brexit supporters might want to own this unfolding disaster, the response was to blame "Remoaners" for the apparent "damage" done over the past four years, not to mention the previous 45. Complete with references to "pro-EU gentry" who apparently are intent on imposing their will, "refusing to concede" and ignoring democracy.

    Not a single iota of recognition that Brexit being a pile of poop was in any way the fault of Brexit supporters. Apparently it's all "Remoaners" colluding with the "undemocratic" EU to undermine these bejewelled islands and our oh so precious freedom.

    I can imagine there may be many Brexity loons who think along similar lines. Quite fascinating example of cognitive dissonance.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. gembo
    Member

    @crowriver or indeed the resolution of cognitive dissonance which is what you are describ8ng but with an added tang of reality denial

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    Ministers will be able to approve the import of animal and agricultural products of a lower standard than currently permitted in the UK, after attempts to amend the trade bill failed.

    The government has repeatedly vowed not to allow the import of chlorinated chicken and hormone-treated beef, but has refused to sign those pledges into law.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/uk-ministers-gain-power-to-allow-lower-standard-food-imports

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    @gembo, they had utterly failed to resolve anything.

    Oh except for angrily stating that "Remoaners" need to "apologise" and, in a rather darker turn, that there will soon be "a reckoning" to be sure.

    Unhinged doesn't quite cover it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    Seafood exporters hit by Brexit red tape and delays will be able to claim up to £100,000 in compensation, the government has said.

    The Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) confirmed that it was putting in place a £23m compensation package for firms exporting fish and shellfish to the EU that can show they have suffered “genuine loss”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/19/defra-sets-up-23m-fund-for-uk-seafood-exporters-hit-by-brexit

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @crowriver

    I had a similar discussion in another place with someone who thought the Labour party would benefit as the full horror of life outside the EEA unfolds.

    Cognitive denial had led that person to not know that the Labour party have voted for this state of affairs whenever the opportunity arose. The whole thing is resolved nicely if these people just accept that they are Anglo-British nationalists, but that belief system is invisible to most for reasons.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    Post truth world where the people who voted for X then Don’t like it, then blame the people who voted not X. With added threats of violence.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    Residents of a village near Dover have mounted what they describe as a “David and Goliath” battle to try to reverse government plans to turn fields at the ends of their gardens into a giant Brexit customs clearance site for 1,200 lorries.

    The local Anglican priest and former chairman of the chamber of commerce accused the transport secretary, Grant Shapps, and the transport minister, Rachel Maclean, of a “clear abuse of power” over the lack of notice and consultation over the consequences of their plans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/furious-kent-residents-step-up-fight-over-brexit-lorry-park

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Best quote ever on this subject from an Indian political scientist; 'Brexit means that the English will soon learn what it's like to be ruled by the British.'

    He hit the nail on the nutshell there.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    The UK government will not pursue a waiver scheme that would allow British musicians to tour the EU without the need for visas, carnets and work permits for each individual member state.

    The announcement comes as over 100 artists including Sting, Bob Geldof and Elton John have signed an open letter published in the Times on Wednesday, calling on the government to negotiate paperwork-free travel for British musicians touring in Europe. The signatories say musicians have been “shamefully failed” by the government’s Brexit deal with the EU.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/20/uk-government-rejects-musician-passports-as-stars-attack-shameful-touring-deal

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    A British freight company director with more than over 20 years’ experience has told how EU hauliers and transport companies are turning their backs on UK business because they are being asked to provide tens of thousands of pounds in guarantees to cover VAT or potential tariffs on arrival in Britain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/absolute-carnage-eu-hauliers-reject-uk-jobs-over-brexit-rules

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    "more than over 20 years’ experience"

    Gotta love the Graun...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    Brexiter Roger Daltrey criticises restrictions for musicians touring Europe

    The Who frontman has been accused of hypocrisy after signing an open letter decrying the government’s position

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/20/brexiter-roger-daltrey-criticises-restrictions-for-musicians-touring-europe

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    Clearly he didn't expect the leopards to eat his face...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    My bold

    Only a third of the UK’s key fish populations are in a healthy state, and catches of key species such as cod should be reduced this year as the UK negotiates fishing rights with the EU, according to the first post-Brexit assessment of the UK’s fisheries.

    Of the top 10 stocks on which the UK’s fishing industry relies, only three – mackerel in the north-east Atlantic, haddock in the North Sea, and langoustines in the west of Scotland – are in a healthy state and not overfished, according to an audit of 104 stocks by the charity Oceana.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/22/only-a-third-of-uks-key-fish-populations-are-not-overfished

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Festival of Brexit in 2022.

    IWARTS predicts: it will be impossible to stage any part of this festival in Northern Ireland or Scotland for reasons.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    “A lorryload of potato crisps was held up for two days because the haulier couldn’t prove the potatoes … had not been imported into the UK from somewhere else,” Jenkin told the committee.

    An ardent supporter of Brexit, he said the “whole point of the protocol was to prevent goods at risk of entering the Republic of Ireland”, not to check items that would remain in Northern Ireland.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/21/crisps-lorry-held-up-two-days-northern-irish-brexit-checks-mps-told

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    MEPs vote to add Channel and British Virgin Islands to tax haven blacklist

    UK overseas territories such as Cayman Islands also may lose protection once afforded by UK’s EU membership

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/meps-vote-to-add-channel-and-british-virgin-islands-to-tax-haven-blacklist

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. LaidBack
    Member

    @chdot - Gibraltar is in their sights too. No state likes unfair competition.

    Some good news on Erasmus maybe. Wonder what Douglas Ross will say? Popular move according to recent poll.

    THE European Commission is to explore ways for Scotland and Wales to stay in its ground breaking Erasmus student exchange programme, The National can reveal.

    It follows a letter signed by more than 140 MEPs to commission president Ursula von der Leyen to find out how arrangements could be put in place as well as talks between the commission and the Scottish Government.

    German MEP Terry Reintke, Vice-President of the Greens / EFA group in the European Parliament was the initiator of the letter to Von Der Leyen which was signed by MEPs across the EU.

    It was co-sponsored by German MEP David McAllister - an ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    Von Der Leyen is also close to Merkel having previously served in her government as defence minister.

    The letter was also backed by senior Polish MEP Radek Sikorski, an ally of the former President of the European Council Donald Tusk.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Link?

    Posted 3 years ago #

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