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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from LaidBack

  1. crowriver
    Member

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    Two days ago, police launched an investigation into graffiti in south Belfast threatening the former taoiseach of Ireland Leo Varadkar if he “set foot in Ulster”.
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    Loyalist gangsters up their old tricks. I was once working on a film shoot in Norn Iron, in the days before the GFA. A bunch of guys drew up in an expensive car and tried to demand protection money. Our producer had spent years working for BBC Norn Iron and told them where to go...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    “If only we could actually cycle safely and comfortably to cheap fish quayside heaven“

    One day

    Maybe

    Meanwhile I’m sure there are (some) CCEers contemplating a ‘fish run’ and might take orders...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55903599

    Looks like these people will need to develop a domestic market for their catch or go bust. I would certainly eat more clams and cockles if I could get them easily.

    Love spaghetti alle vongole.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    From link

    Since 1 January, UK firms have been able to send only pre-purified, ready-to-eat shellfish - accompanied by an export health certificate - to buyers in the EU's 27 member states.
    Until this year, they could be purified - with contaminants removed in clean seawater tanks - after they reached their destination.

    Can’t say I’m remotely surprised, just wonder why it’s taken a month for anyone to realise - previously all the fuss was about paperwork (“teething problems”).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. crowriver
    Member

    Watched an interesting documentary about Cornish crab fishermen (they were all blokes, though female partners helped market and sell catch in some cases). Shot last year I think, certainly before Brexit "got done". All the boat owners seemed well aware of the export requirements of EU, health certificates, etc. Now their only market as China has banned live crab imports.

    So I presume other seafood fishing businesses were aware of EU requirements too. Maybe just hoping that UK would negotiate an exemption/special treatment*, otherwise angling for government compensation?

    * - See also recent brouhaha from musicians, fashion models, etc. despite most of them being unable to travel abroad to work due to pandemic anyway.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. chdot
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  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    IWARTS predicts: Michael Gove will back the DUP and use this issue to undermine the prime minister who signed the protocol.

    Mr Gove regards the Good Friday Agreement as a 'humiliation of our Army'. I suspect he lusts for total war in Ireland.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  9. chdot
    Admin

    I really don’t see how (even) Boris can think NO border is possible -

    "We will do everything we need to do, whether legislatively or indeed by invoking Article 16 of the Protocol to ensure there is no barrier down the Irish Sea."

    The prime minister also described how it was "most regrettable that the EU should seem to cast doubt on the Good Friday Agreement, the principles of the peace process, by seeming to call for a border across the island of Ireland".

    Though strictly speaking there isn’t a “barrier down the Irish Sea”.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. chdot
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    most regrettable that the EU should seem to cast doubt on the Good Friday Agreement

    Pot kettle.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

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    Though strictly speaking there isn’t a “barrier down the Irish Sea”.
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    Maybe he's confusing borders with bridges?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. chdot
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  13. chdot
    Admin

    The Brexit agreement’s Northern Ireland protocol will not be scrapped, the Irish government and the EU have said in an escalating row over the new trade barriers down the Irish Sea.

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    The UK is now demanding a two-year extension to the Brexit grace period for checks on trade but the EU made it clear last night it regarded article 16 as an ultimate on which it would not capitulate.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/04/dublin-and-eu-reject-call-scrap-northern-ireland-brexit-protocol-dup

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. LaidBack
    Member

    Glad they are keeping protocol.

    Nothing should be 'easy' for anyone.

    (Just had another bike go 'missing' on journey from Denmark to here).

    There are no advantages to anyone. Either do business with us 'or else' (not sure what that 'or else' is as we are already blockading ourselves! Our EU suppliers think it's very funny as they can 'get by' avoiding Scottish / UK orders so aren't exactly motivated)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Brexit will never be done. They'll keep agreeing things and then keep whining and backtracking. They need the EU as a bogeyman.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. Stickman
    Member

    People here will know Nigel Bagshaw:

    I got confirmation today that over 50% of my work has been cancelled because as a UK citizen I am no longer eligible to do it. God bless #Brexit and everyone who voted for it.

    https://twitter.com/nigelbagshaw/status/1357339014282375169?s=21

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    A Welsh pharmaceutical company has been forced to throw out hundreds of packs of vital cancer treatments for EU patients because of Brexit red tape on exports, MPs have heard.

    The company, which has not been named, has now moved production to Dublin.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/04/cancer-drugs-binned-because-of-brexit-red-tape-mps-hear

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  18. chdot
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    MPs on the Scottish affairs committee were told that the government had made “catastrophic decisions” on the fishing industry post-Brexit, one of which has led to a ban on live molluscs being traded.

    It has been “a dreadful first few weeks of trading … there’s no way of sugar coating it,” James Withers, the chief executive of Scotland Food & Drink told them.

    He was speaking just days after Politics Home revealed that the EU has told the UK shellfish industry that thousands of tonnes of oyster, mussel, clam, cockle and scallop exports were banned from the bloc indefinitely, spelling disaster for the Scottish fishing industry.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/04/cancer-drugs-binned-because-of-brexit-red-tape-mps-hear

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. LaidBack
    Member

    At least bikes aren't perishable.
    Whatever the machinations on Scottish Indy we can't do any worse than UK - can we.
    Surely this is 'gold standard'? 'World beating' incompetence - turbo charged by hubris and entitlement?

    As member of ACT we get updates.

    The UK internal market has a new logo (!). UK Conformity Assessed (UKCA) marking. In Northern Ireland you can use both (I think) unless it's EU in which case you use CE.
    Not sure what it means. E-bikes must stay to 25kmph max surely. Only USA allows more without registering as vehicle?

    https://www.cycleassociation.uk/e-bikes/eu-exit-updates/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    the EU has told the UK shellfish industry that thousands of tonnes of oyster, mussel, clam, cockle and scallop exports were banned from the bloc indefinitely

    They didn't. They just enforced the rules that have been in place for ages and the UK helped write and agreed.

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  21. chdot
    Admin

    “and the UK helped write and agreed”

    Yes, amongst all the ‘hate the Eurobureaucracy’ rhetoric, the direct involvement of UK personnel is of course discounted/ignored.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    "The Food Standards Agency classification results for 2013/2014 show that around 58% of identified ‘shellfish harvesting waters’ are currently Class A all year round. This is the highest quality standard; only shellfish harvested from Class A waters are permitted to go straight onto the market without the requirement for further cleaning or ‘depuration’. A further 34% of
    harvesting waters are Class A for part of the year and Class B for the remainder."

    https://www.seafoodscotland.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Seafood-Toolkit-final-pdf.pdf

    Sounds like more of a problem for the English & the Welsh...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    The Police Service of Northern Ireland’s chief constable has urged people to step back from the brink of violence amid rising tensions over disruption to supplies of goods and food from Britain to the region since Brexit.

    Simon Byrne warned of a “febrile” atmosphere after 26 graffiti incidents were detected across Northern Ireland, and EU and local officials were withdrawn from Brexit check duties at ports in Belfast and Larne following threats.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/04/northern-ireland-police-chief-urges-calm-amid-post-brexit-tensions

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    Nowt to do with the DUP stirring things up, of course...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I suppose we can look forward to Baroness Davidson and the future Baron Ross going through this new paperwork line by line on a quayside in Buchan with irate fishers, broadcast live by the BBC?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. chdot
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  27. chdot
    Admin

    Some Brexiters including the Conservative MP John Redwood have argued that the government should support the shellfish industry to sell more of its product to UK consumers.

    Gove will be questioned by MPs on the EU scrutiny committee on Monday, along with senior officials from the Cabinet Office transition taskforce.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/07/government-hits-back-claims-brexit-stifling-exports-eu

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    A lobster exporter who is winding up his 60-year-old family business has blamed the government for failing to be honest about Brexit red tape and hidden costs.

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    Speaking from Bridlington on Monday, where he is in the process of dismantling hundreds of lobster crates, Baron said: “All we have had is bullshit from the government, promises that haven’t been kept. I am winding up the business while I still have enough to pay redundancy to my staff.

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    “It is all Brexit-related – the extra costs, extra paperwork and the extra gamble, and it is down to the government and the EU.

    “Every time you send out transport with lobster, it is like playing Russian roulette with five bullets in your gun.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/08/yorkshire-lobster-exporter-baron-shellfish-brexit-costs-forced-close

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. 14Westfield
    Member

    And I thought Baron Shellfish would become Goves title on retirement.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    Have to say that the schadenfreude from watching Brexity fishermen going out of business and crying betrayal is starting to wear off. Another few weeks of this and it'll be more like "Oh, another one, what a surprise. Not."

    Posted 3 years ago #

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