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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from LaidBack

  1. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Always worth a gander at what the Telegraph is saying.

    Guy's really angry at the EU for continuing to operate the same rules that the UK of GB&NI helped to write, approved and used to operate when it was part of the EU's external border, also really angry at the Northern Ireland protocol that the UK of GB&NI insisted on.

    Thinks these things somehow reflect on the EU?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. chdot
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    And after the rant he says -

    I guess I’m calling for more spending and less taxes. It might not be coherent or affordable, but it is at least fashionable

    There’s honesty...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. PS
    Member

    And then he goes to say:
    Who knew pets were so expensive?
    I’d also vote to nationalise vets. My new puppy arrives next week...
    and complains about the unforeseen costs of dog ownership.

    So he's made it a habit to be sold a pup.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    Worthy of a Glenda Slagg column.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Tim Stanley graduated from the University of Cambridge with a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree, a Master of Philosophy (MPhil) degree and a Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) degree.

    I have been stupid for money, in that I have been told to ignore something inconvenient and just plough on until the project crashes and I've done that. But I never put my name to that work.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    I partially retract my prior comment re: Baron Shellfish. Seems the Baron voted Remain but "came around to Brexit". Also he claims "I wish we had never gone into the EU in the first place". Deducting points for blaming the EU for Brexit, and for calling Johnson by his first name, but otherwise I'll let him off. Maybe.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    What about Baron Shelfish Senior getting his 12 bore out?

    I often watched the shelfish family landing using contraption (winch and runway) at North Landing, Flamborough Head when we holidayed there when the children were young. The in-laws lived there then. Bizarrely the new Dads Army film was shot there.

    They would dress the crabs and sell them from the van. South Landing had the lifeboat and there was a nice beach at danesdyke. Two lighthouses also. Once JimmynSavile arranged for the QE2 to sail past?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    My mum knows Baron Shelfish Senior and he is 'a nice mannie'. Votes Labour.

    Shelfish Junior not so much I fear.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/08/european-touring-radiohead-brexit-colin-greenwood

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. chdot
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  11. chdot
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  12. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    We should abandon our ideas when they no longer correspond with reality. I used to think that the Conservative party was principally an instrument of the City of London but Brexit made that hard to credit. Now they've actually managed to marginalise the London stock exchange the idea is untenable.

    I wonder who it is they work for now? Our enemies, clearly, but which ones?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    The Pentamvirate?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. PS
    Member

    I'm struggling with this as well. The only answer I can get to is that they are working the essay crisis model of what will keep a particular bit of the electorate on side without involving anything as unbecoming as medium- to long-term thought, effort or planning.

    The City of London presumably doesn't bring in that many votes? (In a direct sense). In fact, giving the City a kicking is probably popular with a sizeable chunk of the electorate.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I guess every party needs money and votes. The money funds the research and campaigns to get the votes. The skill is in making what has been paid for look like what has been voted for.

    I suspect Brexit has been a disconnect where somebody paid for it through different channels and now politicians are left trying to make Brexit look like what their donors want. All of the pro-Brexit parties (Labour, Tories, Lib Dems) look mad and all the anti-Brexit parties (SNP, Greens) look powerless.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey has warned that the European Union is poised to lock Britain out of its vast banking market

    It's like a skydiver complaining that they can't get a gin and tonic from the steward on the plane they just jumped out of.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. chdot
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    The oldest question in journalism is: are they lying or are they genuinely that stupid? I am sure I am being too kind but my impression was that Truss was genuinely stupid enough to believe her Brexit promises.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/13/in-the-fairytale-land-of-brexit-were-trading-with-the-world-its-a-fantasy

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. chdot
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    Raab said such disruption should be seen in a broader context. He said: “You can always take individual cases, and I know they matter, but overall we’re in an excellent position to grasp the opportunities of a global Britain.

    “I think if you take a 10-year view, as well as looking at the short-term risk, which is right to do, actually the growth opportunities in the future are going to come from emerging and developing economies around the world.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/14/raab-shrugs-off-brexit-troubles-urging-people-to-take-10-year-view

    PROGRESS: a politician looking further than the next election...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. chdot
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    “Covid has kept the Brexit issues out of the headlines, but to try and get a message across to our single- minded, short-sighted government, it needs to be in the headlines. I cannot think of one single positive benefit from Brexit, only negatives, and all my customers and contacts are of the same opinion.

    “Britain used to be great but no longer,” he says, blaming Tory politicians at the top of government. “To adapt a phrase from our most famous leader, ‘Never in the field of British business has so much been destroyed for so many, by so few.’”

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/14/as-half-its-sales-are-wiped-out-silk-firm-joins-exodus-to-europe

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. LaidBack
    Member

    It is desperate.
    We have two bikes in transit - one from Denmark and other from Netherlands. Tracking has stopped - no idea when they will appear.
    I could use the words 'economic terrorists' to describe the people responsible but that might not be allowed here. (Not the courier company or supplier to blame - just to be clear).
    Just shovelled some money over for VAT - appreciate civil servants will just try to make this mess work as best they can. Suppliers in EU are shaking their heads as to why we allowed this to happen.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    “why we allowed this to happen“

    ‘Our’ fault now?!

    Should have stormed somewhere.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    Magic Money Forest Pt 99

    According to the HSRG, the tunnel would bind Northern Ireland closer to Great Britain and would “address problems in economic status of Northern Ireland post-Brexit”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/14/rail-bosses-revive-plan-to-build-tunnel-from-scotland-to-northern-ireland

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. LaidBack
    Member

    @chdot - ‘Our’ fault now?!

    Well one of the founding members of the UK has failed to make any positive impact despite offering a compromise (ie Scotland). Joanna Cherry did as much as can be done legally. Ultimately though Scotland can't save rUK from this massive own goal. My contacts in England are equally unhappy (they all sell EU sourced goods and UK designed bikes and trikes into Germany) but their half of the island has no opportunity to join any useful trading block. Pacific trade deal not exactly useful and EU are signing one soon anyway.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. chdot
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  25. chdot
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  26. chdot
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    “The irony is that I can now get a tree easier from Latvia than I can from Britain, which totally undermines all the work on biosecurity,” he adds referring to the risk of importing pests and diseases.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/17/brexit-forces-northern-ireland-buyers-to-cancel-orders-for-100000-trees

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Brexit going well for the people who insisted on driving it through.

    Mr Wilson is an actual member of parliament.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. crowriver
    Member

    Not only that:

    "He has served as the party’s Brexit spokesman and sat on the Exiting the European Union Select Committee, and is now the party’s Chief Whip."

    You would have thought he'd have a clue, but apparently not. Just lots of fulminating at the EU who are supposedly to blame for a deal which he at least acknowledges Johnson did sign, albeit "foolishly".

    Amazing how Brexiters cannot bring themselves to criticise Johnson, as though he were simultaneously their saviour and an idiot savant.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    Maybe his railing is already out of date?


    usiness leaders in Northern Ireland are optimistic that Brexit barriers preventing parcels, pets, potatoes and plants getting to the region from Britain will be eased after a meeting between Michael Gove and his EU counterpart, Maroš Šefčovič, on Thursday.

    They said the UK and the EU had a legitimate reason to remove or ease the barriers because they were having an impact on daily lives, in breach of a pledge in the Northern Ireland protocol that states the “application of this protocol should impact as little as possible on the everyday life of communities in both Ireland and Northern Ireland”.

    In a joint statement Gove and Šefčovič said they had a constructive meeting that would help guide the UK-EU joint committee, which they confirmed would meet on 24 February.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/18/northern-ireland-firms-optimistic-brexit-barriers-will-be-eased

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    Yes, because optimism has produced brilliant results for UK business so far.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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