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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 6 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. chdot
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    Boris Johnson has said he is trying to get rid of the “ludicrous” Brexit border checks in Northern Ireland by “sandpapering” the protocol he signed with the EU in January 2020.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/20/boris-johnson-uk-trying-to-cut-ludicrous-northern-ireland-checks

    Posted 6 months ago #
  2. chdot
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  3. chdot
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  4. chdot
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    The European parliament has given its overwhelming backing to the Brexit trade and security deal, prompting senior figures on both sides to speak of hope for a “new chapter” of friendly relations after four years of division.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/28/european-parliament-votes-through-brexit-deal-with-big-majority

    Posted 6 months ago #
  5. chdot
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  6. LaidBack
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    Did the PM lie to Arlene then? (Stupid question!)

    Meanwhile EU dynamic is still running here. I'm in touch with EU companies as often as any based on the island so there is a definite mood that Scotland's position is 'odd'.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/29/the-eu-must-welcome-an-independent-scotland

    Posted 5 months ago #
  7. chdot
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  8. chdot
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    “What sort of UK is the government building and what is Northern Ireland’s place in it? Because at the moment it seems that the UK government wants to build a post-Brexit UK based on a very 17th-century English notion of parliamentary sovereignty. It was delivered with English and Welsh votes but we are talking about a very singular sense of identity rooted in the English tradition.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/02/complex-identities-of-northern-ireland-being-undermined-says-ex-official

    Posted 5 months ago #
  9. chdot
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  10. LaidBack
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    Reading the Barnier article puts Scotland's position to the fore. We simply don't exist.
    (Despite European corporates owning much of our renewables industry. eg Iberdrola/SP)

    Posted 5 months ago #
  11. chdot
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    She said France was ready to take “retaliatory measures” after accusing the Channel Island of breaching the new Brexit trade deal by imposing new restrictions on French access to Jersey waters.

    One industry leader said the row appeared to stem from the Granville Bay Treaty, which sets out fishing rights in shared waters, which ended on 1 January as a result of Brexit, rather than a wider UK-EU fight.

    UK government sources, mindful of how quickly the post-Brexit dispute over Northern Ireland blew up, said attempts were being made to resolve the dispute before it worsened.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/05/jersey-french-threat-cut-electricity-post-brexit-licences-boats

    Posted 5 months ago #
  12. chdot
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    UK sends navy vessels to Jersey amid post-Brexit fishing row with France

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/05/uk-hits-back-at-french-threat-to-cut-jerseys-electricity-supply

    Posted 5 months ago #
  13. chdot
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    But there was also support among some Jersey fishers for the protest.

    Chris Le Masurier, the owner of the Jersey Oyster Company, described conditions placed upon the new post-Brexit fishing licences issued to Breton and Norman fishers as “insulting and discriminatory”.

    The EU also backed the claims of French fishers. In a statement issued overnight, the European Commission said the conditions set on licences for fishing in the Channel Island’s waters were in breach of the trade agreement struck on Christmas Eve.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/06/uk-sends-gunboats-jersey-french-vessels-st-helier-brexit-fishing-rights

    Posted 5 months ago #
  14. davecykl
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    The Channel Islands aren't even part of the UK, of course. The obvious solution is that the Duke of Normandy should get involved, they could probably quite reasonably act on behalf of both sides…

    Posted 5 months ago #
  15. chdot
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  16. chdot
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    England but...

    It wants to boost home ownership in areas of increasing Conservative support in northern England and the Midlands and will use post-Brexit freedoms to “simplify … environmental assessments for developments”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/11/johnsons-planning-laws-an-utter-disaster-say-countryside-campaigners

    Posted 5 months ago #
  17. chdot
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  18. chdot
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    Other countries whose citizens have been held at a UK airport or detention centre include Italy, France, Bulgaria and Greece. It is understood one French man was held at Edinburgh airport for 48 hours recently while the Bulgarian ambassador to the UK confirmed a number of his nationals had been held at immigration removal centres.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/13/eu-citizens-arriving-in-uk-being-locked-up-and-expelled

    Posted 5 months ago #
  19. crowriver
    Member

    Shocking.

    I daresay Brits can look forward to reciprocal treatment when they "forget" the proper documentation while heading to Europe...

    Posted 5 months ago #
  20. chdot
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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/17/uk-proposes-phasing-in-irish-sea-border-checks-on-food-brexit

    In a bluntly worded newspaper article, Lord Frost urged Brussels to find a new way to implement the protocols for trade across the Irish Sea, arguing that the EU had adopted a “purist” approach that was threatening the “political, social, or economic fabric of life in Northern Ireland”

    Shame on the EU for wanting to abide by the agreement...

    Frost accused the EU of trying to treat goods coming from Britain into Northern Ireland “in the same way as the arrival of a vast Chinese container ship at Rotterdam”.

    “We did not anticipate this when we agreed the protocol and it makes no sense,”

    Didn’t read the agreement before signing??

    Posted 5 months ago #
  21. chdot
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    Brexit: Northern Ireland protocol is ‘only solution’, says Ursula von der Leyen

    EU commission president says it is Brexit, not protocol, that is disrupting trade across the Irish sea

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/25/brexit-northern-ireland-protocol-is-only-solution-says-ursula-von-der-leyen

    Posted 5 months ago #
  22. chdot
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  23. chdot
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  24. chdot
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    Hostility to his work has grown since the Brexit vote, shooting up “profoundly since last summer”, he says, speaking over Zoom from his office in Bristol. “It has now got to the point where some of the statements being made are so easily refutable, so verifiably and unquestionably false, that you have to presume that the people writing them know that. And that must lead you to another assumption, which is that they know that this is not true, but they have decided that these national myths are so important to them and their political projects, or their sense of who they are, that they don’t really care about the historical truths behind them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/jun/07/david-olusoga-race-reality-historian-black-britishness

    Posted 4 months ago #
  25. chdot
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    Gordon Brown says he will not give up fight to reverse Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/10/gordon-brown-not-give-up-fight-reverse-brexit

    Posted 4 months ago #
  26. chdot
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  27. ejstubbs
    Member

    Having read that article and, regrettably, failed to grasp the ins and outs of Frost's argument, I am still strongly reminded of an episode of Yes, Minister that was repeated on BBC Four recently, in which eventual compromise was reached by the then EEC agreeing to create a special product category called "the British Sausage". (I'd post a YouTube link but the relevant clip doesn't seem to be available.)

    It's coming to something when the goings on in the actual government are to all intents and purposes indistinguishable from a satirical sitcom written forty years ago. Swift would be turning in his grave (or, alternatively, chortling to himself in whatever afterlife he now inhabits).

    Posted 4 months ago #
  28. gembo
    Member

    See also Reggie Perrin as documentary

    Posted 4 months ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    "I didn't get where I am today by knowing the difference between sausage and British sausage" - etc., etc. ad nauseam.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  30. chdot
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