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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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BBC editorialising with choice of photos!
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Scottish Green urges FM to reassure Japan of Scotland's intention to respect the EU vote.
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/greens-greer-urges-first-minister-to-tell-japan-well-stay-in-europe.22231Posted 8 years ago # -
Not sure how the FM can guarantee that at the moment.
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I wonder if bikes will get cheaper when UK leave EU with the current EU anti-dumping duty applicable amounts of 48.5% on most china made complete bicycles apart from a small number such as Fuji, even Giant is subject to the charge.
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12972827
http://www.economist.com/node/1159471
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I wonder if bikes will get cheaper when UK leave EU with the current EU
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And a million other questions...
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anti-dumping duty applicable amounts of 48.5% on most china made complete bicycles.
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Not that percentage of retail price of course.
Perhaps less of an import tax - which may or may not balance the fall in Strling.
Think % of bikes coming from China is considerably less than 20 years ago.
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Great defender of the European bike industry (perhaps slowing its general decline) -
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World trade is complicated! Hope UKGov is up to dealing with things by itself...
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The cumulation with bicycle parts made in Malaysia was going the wrong way, as it was putting together Shimano parts with parts made in China with which the Cambodian exporters claimed to be fulfilling the 70-30% local content rule. They did that without the need to invest in Cambodia to produce frames and other parts. Now they have to invest in such parts production, as the cumulation with Malaysia made parts is finished. This results in thousand’s Cambodian workers to enjoy a long term industrial job thanks to the European market for bicycles.”
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I'm sure that's true in theory - though of course the key 'problems' (education and the NHS) are devolved.
There is also the fact that TM's latest (almost out of nowhere) 'big idea' is not even universally popular in her own party. So, with a slight Parliamentary majority, it might not even happen!
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Even coming from the arch-libertarian Janet Daley, this article is unmitigated tosh. Hope that doesn't break forum rule 2.
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"Hope that doesn't break forum rule 2"
Tosh is mild...
Might break rule 1, but then again...
(In practice of course, rule 1 really refers to other CCEers.)
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I knew I should have reviewed the rules before posting to get them in the right order!!
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Ms Daley's eyes may swivel, but the article is an announcement of what the Barclay brothers wish to see.
The rationing of medical treatment that follows inevitably from the post-war funding model is obviously unsustainable
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So it's the lack of grammar schools in the north of England that's to blame for poor academic performance - nothing to do with the decimation of the area's industrial base and all round destruction of hope for many residents.
Do these people really think this, or is it just a miniscule fig leaf to cover their unalloyed delight at the trashing of the welfare state and the hope of more to come?
Truly, these people make me sick.
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On a positive note, London schools have pulled themselves together without resorting to grammar schools. Grammars work for the pupils at them (mostly) but secondary moderns do not provide academic achievements. Which may have been ok when apprenticeships existed.. But a proper comprehensive school provides good outcomes for nearly all pupils.
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"On a positive note, London schools have pulled themselves together without resorting to grammar schools."
Yes, but all manner of Academies too to confuse the comprehensiveness.
"But a proper comprehensive school provides good outcomes for nearly all pupils."
"Proper" being key. It remains to be seen if there will be enough money left (in England) after paying for more faith and grammar schools...
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Fair points @chdot
I am not a fan of academies, particularly if they are imposed where they are not wanted (not even from my ideological perspective, just the data - they only stand a chance of working where they are wanted). That said, they Are not selective. So anyone wanting to attend (within catchment.??) can do so, unless I guess they are already full.
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The Queen's Own Highland Pirouette Regiment are on manoeuvre!
and then....Highland Pirouetters....ABOUT TURN!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/11/scotland-can-succeed-inside-the-uk-and-outside-the-eu/
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The rationing of medical treatment that follows inevitably from... allowing the population to become obese, sedentary, diabetics.
Fixed that.
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Democracy is a problem for politicians.
You base your life on the FPTP system of Westminster.
Or in RD's case, benefit from a more balanced PR opinion registering method.
Then 'the people' are allowed to register multiple disatisfactions with a single cross.
Full time politicians have to deal with the fallout while still trying to kick their 'natural enemies' (as opposed to ones in their own party...)
Add in some special pleading which might well be against the spirit of the Brexit vote!
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It sometimes appears that the SNP administration in Edinburgh wants the Brexit negotiations to fail, so as to bolster the nationalists’ case for independence. I don’t. I want the UK to continue to be the outward-looking country it is; the force for good in the world that shoulders its burdens and meets its responsibilities to its allies and friends, as I have always known it to be.
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This is about taking our time to hammer out a bundle of bespoke agreements which are tailored to our national interest – and which, crucially, should also suit our neighbours across Europe, too.
My hope is that taking this route will ensure that the deals we strike will meet the unique requirements of the United Kingdom – including Scotland. We all need to make Brexit work.
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"My hope is " - it's perfectly reasonable for RD to consider that the UK is her nation. Equally NS as leader of a devolved parliament ought to try to get what she thinks is best for her country - however much skewed by a long held belief that that might be better off outside the UK.
Whether RD or NS get a fraction of what they would like with Brexit/Europe or Scottish/UK Independence remains to be seen!
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I wonder if RD agrees with this -
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Scotland’s minister in charge of Brexit negotiations has called for talks with the UK Government to begin immediately, and reiterated his commitment to keeping the UK in the European single market.
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-brexit-minister-demands-talks-start-immediately-1-4227523
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Not directly a BrexitConsequential, but all part of the 'reducing immigration to the tens of thousands' agenda -
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Edinburgh will lose out economically unless the UK government agrees to include the Capital’s universities in a new pilot scheme to retain the talents of overseas graduates, deputy council leader Frank Ross has warned.
Only four universities – all in the south of England – are part of the pilot project which gives international students the right to remain in the country for up to six months after they graduate to look for work.
There have been repeated cross-party calls in Scotland for the return of the post-study work visa – abolished by the Conservative-Lib Dem UK coalition in 2012 – which allowed overseas students to stay for two years after finishing their course.
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All these thousands of extra student flats being built on every piece of land across the south side must be a figment of our imagination then.
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So the House of 'Lords' is suggesting that its consent and the consent of the lower House should be sought before Article 50 is triggered;
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldconst/44/4402.htm
The franchise for the referendum (exclusion of EU citizens for example) was justified on the grounds that parliament was seeking the views of its electors. It would be extraordinary if parliament were not then involved in the decision to notify or not under Article 50.
It's clear that there is no majority for notification in the present parliament unless MPs vote in line with their constituents' wishes rather than their own.
Remain-leaning MPs must be almost hoping there is no vote. The 'Lords' I guess would be playing with fire if they try to block the popular will of England.
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I guess the only way to be sure would be to trigger a general election with out the whip, no parties, vote for the mp who best represents your wishes (primarily on Europe but others may not care).
Only need to roll back hundreds of years of inertia...
With the amount of fervour UKIP can whip up the Lords would risk being disbanded if it attempts to block Article 50.
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Parliamentary debate might actually raise, discuss and put to test some of the real issues, which is something the referendum largely avoided. It might actually bring some focus and shape to government policy, which given Davis and Fox's recent fumblings would be most welcome.
In a representative democracy do politicians have a duty of care to protect the people they represent from themselves?
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@PS
In any normal country we could all have a read of the constitution for guidance on such matters.
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In any normal country we could all have a read of the constitution for guidance on such matters.
Maybe in a few enlightened European countries but I suspect in any English speaking country that would not be case.
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