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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 8 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/79579/liam-fox-describes-eu-citizens-post-brexit-rights

    If Liam Fox uses EU citizens currently resident in Scotland as a bargaining chip in negotiations it's not impossible that I will find him and challenge him to a fist-fight. I don't know anything about fist-fighting so book your ring-side seats now - should be a classic.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    The solution to Brexit? Innovative jam

    http://www.politico.eu/article/the-solution-to-brexit-innovative-jam/

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. Stickman
    Member

    @IWRATS: as Liam Fox* appears to know little about anything the chances are you know more about fist-fighting than him. I'll hold your coat if required.

    *I believe his official title is Cabinet Ministet Forced to Resign In Disgrace Liam Fox.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. cb
    Member

    @IWRATS, watch out for Adam Werritty punching you in the back.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    It would appear that the Enlightenment notion that the value of an idea is independent of the nature of the person proposing it is no longer in vogue;

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/lse-brexit-non-uk-experts-foreign-academics

    I wonder if this will lead to the development of exciting new fields such as British Chemistry and British Mathematics.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. Morningsider
    Member

    British experts for British problems! Can't have Johnny foreigner slipping the Hun our plans. What do you mean "we don't actually have an plans" - I'm sure Boris is bashing them out as we speak (plans that is).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. kaputnik
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  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    In the British Chemistry periodic table xenon (the stranger) will be replaced by briton (the native).

    Posted 7 years ago #
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  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Who knew there was a 'Constitution Minister'? Indeed who knew there was a constitution in need of ministry? Fantastic stuff from the Telegraph;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/being-british-is-about-so-much-more-than-simply-being-resident-i/

    What possible reason could this gent have for wanting long-term emmigrants to vote in UK elections? And why are these emmigrants pictured wearing Guinness promotional hats? A hint at a return to the pre-1922 Union?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. Klaxon
    Member

    Ministerial roles come and go (and are merged and divided) by anticipated upcoming workload in a particular area. So it is apt that a constitutional minister has been appointed.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    In contrast to that Telegraph piece -

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/wearescotland/live?src=

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "

    I want to believe that our council leaders mean well in setting up a special committee to ensure the country’s forthcoming departure from the European Union does not damage Edinburgh’s economy or threaten social harmony.

    There is, however, scant hard evidence that there is yet a problem, just a fear that their own predictions and warnings, and those of other die-hard remainers, will come true.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/brian-monteith-alarmist-politicians-not-brexit-are-the-real-problem-1-4250708

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Arch Thatcherite, former Tory MSP and acolyte of Michael Forsyth Brian Monteith presumably comes cheaper than actual journalists.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. Morningsider
    Member

    Could there be a simple reason why there is "scant hard evidence" of the impact of leaving the EU on Edinburgh?

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  16. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Westminster consensus seems to be that Britain will end up under World Trade Organisation arrangements for several years while finishing discussions, leading to the imposition of often-hefty tariffs on many goods. One Treasury source told me they estimate this will cut UK growth six per cent by 2030; it will also devastate many firms and disrupt many industries.

    Some Tories who posed as national saviours to push Brexit are now fleeing the inevitable consequences of their actions. The only certainty we can draw from our shaky situation is that the future shape of our country is unclear, while the plummeting pound indicates lack of confidence in our actions.

    "

    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/immigration-part-brexit-vote-whether-liberal-leave-voters-like-not/

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    If the EU adheres to a punishment plan and it fails, as I believe it would, then that's an even bigger incentive to countries that want to leave than no punishment at all,” Mr Davis said."

    A punishment plan. He said that. In parliament.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. chdot
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  19. chdot
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  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    A Conservative back room researcher argues against the possibility of EU powers coming to Holyrood wholesale should Scotland leave the European Union;

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/10/christopher-howarth-brexit-will-scotland-northern-ireland-and-wales-benefit-from-new-powers.html

    He doesn't touch on what money would follow which bits of policy currently reserved to the EU because of course he can't know.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. Morningsider
    Member

    So - the UK Government hoarding repatriated EU powers, and the associated cash, and then dispensing largess to the devolved nations will result in happy natives and kill off calls for independence?

    That'll work...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Looks like we're warming up for a new battle of Worcester as parliament is now manoeuvering to oppose use of the royal prerogative in this matter;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/brexit-strategy-theresa-may-labour-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-live/

    Labour roundheads have fired 170 musket balls, none of which I suppose will find their mark;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/170-brexit-questions-for-theresa-may/

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. wee folding bike
    Member

    At least the price of stamps isn't on the list this time.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

  25. I were right about that saddle
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  26. chdot
    Admin

    Not that anyone knows what "Hard B" actually means!

    Even less what the consequences would/will be.

    "

    “If she fails to deliver on Brexit there will be massive disillusionment in the political class as a whole.

    “She must deliver a Brexit for the 17.4 million people who voted for it.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/688500/theresa-may-owen-paterson-nigel-evans-boris-johnson-andrea-leadsom-brexit-pm-uk

    Well yes, but it won't be too long before some of the 17m make it clear that they didn't vote for significant prices increases or to have many of the 'promises' of the Leave campaigners evaporate.

    Clearly some people voted believing that immigration would stop (not too many I hope) but that was never going to happen. I presume some voted for the idealistic reasons of 'getting our country back' (whatever they thought that meant).

    Overall probably a mix of two fingers to the elite/establishment (well they got rid of DC) and a belief/hope that they, and those they cared about, would be a bit better off.

    The latter very much remains to be seen.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    "

    "If I was a Brexit voter, I would feel increasingly betrayed that I voted in the belief that all these Brexiteers knew what they were doing,"

    "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37670091

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. LaidBack
    Member

    I think their plan is to scuttle the SSUK and see if anything valuable floats to the top!

    My Dutch visitors last week were 'impressed' at the recklessness and total lack of planning and commitment of those left 'in charge' down south.

    Earlier in year we left Europe for our first ever visit to SA.
    Then the 'weak' Rand was 21 to the Pound. Now it is 17.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. chdot
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    Harvie tells Scottish Greens to prepare for indyref2

    "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37717164

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Interesting that the first sweetheart deal to be cut is for motor car production in an area that voted strongly to Leave.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/nissan-calms-brexit-fears-with-commitment-to-uk-factory-1.2845546

    I'm guessing bicycle infrastructure in areas voting Remain won't be on the receiving end of any such largesse.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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