There appears to be real confusion as to whether they should vote to represent their constituency, their party, the country as a whole, or themselves. All options appear to being used depending on which MP you choose.
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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This is my MP;
He really has no choice, as Edinburgh South was one of only a handful of constituencies where Remain got above 50% of the electorate, let alone the voters. Given that his support now comes from the leafy europhile groves of Morningside, Comiston, Greenbank and Buckstone he would have no future if he voted otherwise. Quite whether he can continue in a UK Labour party remains to be seen.
There's also the looming question of whether or not Labour will vote for Holyrood to grant a Legislative Consent Motion in respect of the repeal of the European Communities Act 1972. To grant it would be blatantly to ignore Scotland's voice, to refuse it would be to participate in Nationalist grievance mining. Perhaps they'll abstain?
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Here is the plan for all our futures;
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From that document:
2.1 The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.
I thought we needed Brexit to regain our sovereignty?
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Feelings are important, Stickman. Parliaments have feelings too you know.
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And I suppose it's futile to point out that the concept of the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament is unknown in Scots Law.
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But one of the reasons that Britain’s democracy has been such a success for so many years is that the strength of our identity as one nation, the respect we show to one another as fellow citizens, and the importance we attach to our institutions means that when a vote has been held we all respect the result. The victors have the responsibility to act magnanimously. The losers have the responsibility to respect the legitimacy of the outcome. And the country comes together.
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© TMay
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"This is a decision that could break up our family of nations, and rip Scotland from the rest of the UK."
D Cameron 2014.
When did the nations become singular?
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some people say Scotland voted to remain the lowest of the low colonised by people
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Brexit and 'the media'. Compare and contrast. by LaidBackBikes, on FlickrDoes anyone know if the Scottish Daily Mail did a different cover? (Of course not!?)
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We must recognise that the future Scots broadly seemed to want, within the EU but also within the UK, has been put out of reach by events entirely beyond our control; that we are now faced with a brutal choice between a UK on the brink of profound change of a kind we opposed, and an EU weakened by the UK’s looming departure; and that faced with that choice, people in Scotland are still more likely to cling to Westminster than choose independence.
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Ms McMillan appears to be suggesting that Common Weal should be set up, or at least that more people should participate in it.
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Consistently bodging through in a true brexit manner!
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Detailed and thoughtful analysis from friends in London;
Scotland and many Scots will remain impaled on the horns of a very unwelcome dilemma.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/news/the-process-of-brexit
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Not entirely OT -
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Rereading Lippmann, particularly his Public Opinion and The Phantom Public, is a sobering experience at the moment. If he was deeply pessimistic about the prospects for democracy a century ago, imagine what he would have thought about our current condition. For Lippmann, the problem was just that the average citizen couldn’t comprehend the complexities of public policy. 2016 taught us that many citizens have no inclination even to make the effort to understand, while the internet has enabled them to crowdsource their indignation and incomprehension, with impressive political effects.
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The most one can claim for scientific knowledge is that it is provisional and subject to revision, but at least it is supported by evidence that can be sceptically assessed by others. Not much of that applies in public policy and none of it at all in politics. Which is why we’re in this mess.
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Bella Caledonia with a witty look at recent events in WM.
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/02/07/time-to-leave-the-mother-of-all-parliaments/I'm not sure if I agree about pulling out of WM though. With only two newspapers supporting the pro Indy cause the SNP would get even more negative UK MSM reactions. You'd think real democrats would be glad our MPs wanted to speak about Brexit. As BC says they were passed by in favour of Tories. Surely another own goal by T May & Co.
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This, from 39m00s for about 55 minutes is fascinating. If you enjoy European Parliament committee procedings....
I can't figure out quite who the lady talking is, but she's very reasonable and received well.
Some Tory MEP chips in with a ***DARIEN SCHEME KLAXON*** too.
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Tony Blair is set to provoke a furious political row by calling on opponents of Brexit to "rise up" and persuade voters to change their mind about leaving the EU.
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http://news.sky.com/story/tony-blair-to-tell-brexit-critics-its-time-to-rise-up-10770942
And
https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/832511597780271105
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You have to hand it to Blair. He is saying what a lot of people are thinking.
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Trouble is. He is almost the last person you would want to lead a such a movement
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I find some relief in the thought that he's talking to England, not us. If I were living there I'd be strongly conflicted on the subject of his involvement.
Like having some kind of poisonous snake offer to help you in a fight.
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Tough choice between Blair or May & Co.
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This should be the perfect time for STV to launch an evening news programme edited from Scotland?
The BBC have maybe decided that the 'Scottish Six' is not likely to impress lost Scottish viewers and may damage their British branding?
It does seem unfair that the TV fees collected in Scotland aren't used here though. Only 3% of BBC output comes from Scotland.
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The BBC have decided to quarantine Scotland with its own TV channel running from 7pm every night. To start in 2018. Budget same as last series of Great British Bake Off.
Meanwhile from The National.
A GERMAN map maker is offering customers a vision of what could be with a map of an independent Scotland in Europe.
The post-Brexit diagram shows the European Union in 2019, with an independent Scotland retaining its membership in contrast with the new United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Interkart GMbH will target the product in countries including Austria and Switzerland.
Chief executive officer Hans-Joachim Niemeyer, who regularly travels to Scotland, said until recently he was unsure if Westminster would really trigger Article 50.
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I have a wall-sized (no, not that wall) Soviet world map from 1988. It's a brave man makes maps of the future.
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The MP Tommy Shepard is having a brexit debate on Saturday 11th March at the Methodist church with Simon pia journalist and Nicola McEwan professor. 14.30pm
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Something happened in Northern Ireland but you wouldn't know it if you watched the BBC TV Weekend news.
"For the first time in the history of Northern Ireland unionists no longer hold the majority at Stormont."
This is significant for our 'four nations and one people' ©T May. But the BBC doesn't want to bore its right wing viewers with news from 'the provinces'.
Not a good sign for analysis of EU and what it means for Scotland.I know other news sources are available - thankfully!
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"Something happened in Northern Ireland but you wouldn't know it if you watched the BBC TV Weekend news."
They barely covered the crisis in January, I don't think central BBC understands much outside SE England, far less what might be happening in NI.
T May only comments on Scotland because the SNP devastated the other parties at the last election. Same can't be said for either main party in NI.
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Fair bit of coverage of Norn Irn on BBC radio 4 today programme. Also BBC news website. If I watch the BBC ten o'clock news I feel I have heard it all already. Not like the good old days of reggie bosanquet or Gordon honeycomb
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