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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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Posted 7 years ago #
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I heard that T May's assistants managed to change East Kilbride to East Kilbridge in the PR release for her pointless visit to Scotland.
Wonder if they spell checked the article 50 letter?Attention to detail has not been a strong point with them.
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I took French at O Grade because we were joining the EEC. Now what am I going to do with it?
Read Montaigne and mutter sweet nothings to the one you love.
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The news has been to various places I will now probably avoid - Dover, Stoke and Hulll to name three. But I guess anywhere in England outside of London, Brighton and Exeter? Might have dug up the same demographic? It's not racist ??
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"The United Kingdom wants to agree with the European Union a deep and special partnership that takes in both economic and security cooperation...
“... In security terms a failure to reach agreement would mean our cooperation in the fight against crime and terrorism would be weakened."Make of that what you will. Money is more important than lives?
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The first bit might turn out to be wishful thinking.
The second is either naive complacency - 'we'll be fine without you' - or menacing nastiness. Or both.
Not really the best way to preface talks for an amicable separation followed by a version of 'business as usual'.
Whatever you think of Scottish Independence or the EU, I suspect that there may be friendliness towards Scotland (from EU countries) that might be reassuring/seductive.
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"But I guess anywhere in England outside of London, Brighton and Exeter?"
Hadn't noticed that Exeter was such an outlier, but you forgot Cambridge (and presumably Oxford).
I saw the Hull programme, quite a divide in the audience. Cleary showed that the City is benefiting from a year in the Culture spotlight.
Immigration has also halted a long term population decline that nearly led to the demolition of 'unneeded' council houses.
Some reactions to the Brexit (voting) opportunity are more disappointing than 'understandable'. Clearly LOTS of 'we don't like change' - both what's happened and also what could happen.
It's hard to understand what people really want instead. 'Go back to like it was' is not particularly coherent - or going to happen.
There was a piece the night before on Ebbw Vale. Some people there don't like "immigration" - it's currently about 2%.
The town has had MASSES of EU money, but apparently it's been 'spent on the wrong things' - in short, it hasn't brought back the steel works and the coal mines.
I presume there are similar areas of 'industrial decline' right across Europe (and America of course). No idea if the affected populations feel much the same, or whether National/local governments have dealt with things better.
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But any ideas that people in Scotland see/want things differently is open to question -
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/poll-majority-of-scots-don-t-want-separate-brexit-deal-1-4406774
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So will the Brexit uprising devour its children as utopian dreams turn to dust? It is, of course, too early to tell – although clearly this nationalist uprising fuelled by fear and intolerance will change the shape of our nation irrevocably. This week, nine months after the referendum shock, Article 50 is finally triggered to signal Britain’s departure from the European Union. Yet behind the careful choreography of the prime minister’s letter to the European Council and statement to parliament, it is hard to think of another time when our country has taken such a massive gamble with so many unresolved questions hanging heavy over our heads.
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https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-article-50-may-eu-referendum-birrell/
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Donald Tusk (@eucopresident)
31/03/2017, 09:04
Our duty is to minimise uncertainty, disruption caused by Brexit for citizens, businesses & Member States. It's about damage control."
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I took French at O Grade because we were joining the EEC. Now what am I going to do with it?
I read Charlotte Brontë's Villette without knowing there were translations for the French bits at the back of the book. You could do that.
You don't need it for Jacques Tati.
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The official, John Callinan, said on Thursday: “I see signs in the contacts that we’re having, both at EU level and with the UK, of a gradual realisation that Brexit in many ways is an act of great self-harm, and that the focus now is on minimising that self-harm.”
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Senior EU sources claimed that Britain’s aggressive approach to the talks, including threats of becoming a low-tax, low-regulation state unless it was given a good deal, had backfired. “However realistic the threats were, or not, they were noticed,” one senior EU source said. “The future prosperity of the single market was challenged. That had an impact – it pushed people together.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/15/britain-set-to-lose-eu-crown-jewels?
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"An elite group is shaping world politics to suit their private beliefs, and their behaviour has untold and unquantifiable effects. While the plot reads like a comic book, this cyber-manipulation is no fiction and played a role in the EU referendum and Donald Trump’s election."
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We still have free and creative media in this country not paid by business. Starts with a nice fake ad but this is not fake news.
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/04/29/strong-and-stable-spaniels/Posted 7 years ago # -
A new motto for our times;
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Theresa May on a different galaxy says Jean Claude juncker?
Well seems true, I only raise this so that I can exhort all members to go see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Basically same as the first one except Groot the large tree hero who is nearly killed at the end of the first movie is cute Groot. He is growing up a sort of toddler super hero. (You can buy the Pop Vinyl Figure and I might). Very cute. Starts wth hm dancing to Mr Blue Sky by ELO whilst the others destroy a large monster. Lot of David hassle hoff jokes. Sly Stallone was in it which allows my son to do his sly joke ( basically my son says What was that he said? After every line, sly is a terrible mumbles for an actor). You also get almost the entire track of cat Stevens' Father and Son.
Wait for the credits as there are five scenes interspersed including a teenage Groot with a very dirty bedroom full of vines and playing his Nintendo and mumbling I am Groot ( if you do not know, he can only say I am Groot. But with different intonations)
£5.50 at wester hailes odeon. Actually had other punters in
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Tesco has a Star Lord t shirt for £8. Tempted
Sly has a half paralysed face.
Groot says many things but they all sound like I am Groot.
Soundtrack is not bad but you can't get individual tracks on iTunes and I've got half of them already. Number 2 went to see it at the weekend but has avoided spoilers.
Went to see Buster Bloodvessel again last night and there was an Edinburgh band called The Fat Pandas singing about how there's no Greggs in outer space. Might get their CD instead.
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Is that the "we don't have enough bams already" problem?
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He's not the messiah, he just thinks he is? He's a very naughty boy
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EU leaders have warned Theresa May that Brexit talks could become “impossible” if she lets her “emotions get out of hand” after she launched an astonishing attack accusing Brussels of interfering in the general election.
Donald Tusk said Brexit negotiations will “become impossible” if the UK and the EU become embroiled in arguments before the formal talks have even begun.
Mrs May sent shock waves through Brussels with a dramatic Downing Street statement on Wednesday accusing unnamed “European politicians and officials” of issuing threats deliberately timed to affect the June 8 vote.
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we're all familar with elisabeth kübler-ross and the grief cycle
and with this brexit malarky i've been in denial for some time
but now i just want the whole s"house to go up in flames because it can't get any better til we hit that final burn out
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but now i just want the whole s"house to go up in flames because it can't get any better til we hit that final burn out
I would rather avoid insurrection and violence if we can. We always think they can't happen here and then we remember that Dublin was 'here' once.
<doom>Maybe it's time to start reading about Ireland, Yugoslavia and Rwanda. They were all normal places with shops and schools populated by people just like us until they started wading about in each other's blood. I feel a desperate need for our leaders to make peace.</doom>
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I suspect all this nonsense is really just setting up "the EU" as the baddies, so they can cop the blame when the UK Government decides to walk away with no exit agreement and no trade deal - which is what the Liam Foxes of the world have been dreaming about for years. The EU will then be a convenient scapegoat for all the country's wrongs for many years to come.
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the UK Government decides to walk away with no exit agreement and no trade deal
I agree completely. That is their plan. My worry is that the people making the plan are reckless, unintelligent, uninformed and quite possibly a bit mad. Their actions will have consequences that they (and we) are quite unable to envision.
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@morningsider
I suspect all this nonsense is really just setting up "the EU" as the baddies, so they can cop the blame when the UK Government decides to walk away with no exit agreement and no trade deal - which is what the Liam Foxes of the world have been dreaming about for years. The EU will then be a convenient scapegoat for all the country's wrongs for many years to come.
This x 100. The blame applies to the swivel eyed loons on the Tory right and Cameron's failure to stand up to them.
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"Their actions will have consequences that they (and we) are quite unable to envision."
Special pleading or serious warning (to be headed or not?) -
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Brexit will 'stall' City, says Goldman Sachs chief
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/05/brexit-city-goldman-sachs-lloyd-blankfein-london-uk
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Stalling Goldman Sachs would be a good thing in my view, but the chances of that happening are minimal. That vampire might roost elsewhere for a bit, but it won't lose any sleep.
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