want to be technology leader, like in Margaret Thatcher's day
Gove be mad.
Gove just on R4 saying 'no chlorinated chickens'
In Gove's head; 'Other more powerful halogens are available. Brominated broiler..mmmmm.....Fluorinated fowl!'
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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Ministers have been wary of being seen to "punish" drivers of diesel cars, who, they argue, bought the vehicles after being encouraged to by the last Labour government because they produced lower carbon emissions.
People really were, "clean" diesel was heavily insentivised by the government through the oil companies.
As an attempt to curb climate change without punishing the OLAM they should have been easy wins but no one seems to have thought about/bothered to deal with the known particulate issues. Or had the nerve to deal with the larger problem, reducing SOV miles.
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But then again, maybe Liam Fox knows what he is talking about, and will make it all OK.
Ha ha ha!
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As heard on Today -
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Michael Gove: UK won't accept US chlorinated chickens
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40726208
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UK won't accept US chlorinated chickens
It's going to be very painful for them when they eventually realise that they don't make the decisions any more.
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OT (slightly)
The Government that's trying to deliver Brexit is having to do this -
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The government has promised to stop charging employment tribunal fees and to refund those who have paid them, after a trade union won a landmark legal case.
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https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jul/26/union-supreme-court-fees-unfair-dismissal-claims
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We stopped eating chicken a while back. Too many welfare issues with it.
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Believing such precise forecasts is hard - "experts" or not!
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As the sixth worst affected, Edinburgh would see a 2.7 per cent reduction in economic output for Scotland’s capital in the event of a hard Brexit.
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Does that include the Climate Changed weather, mass American tourism and success of a cycle hire scheme, disastrous chaos due to gridlock around Picardy Place or blanket 20mph or Congestion Charging?
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A UK government spokesman said it was working on a trade deal to build on the strengths of all cities.
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No cause for concern then.
Back to thinking about N+1.
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If Edinburgh loses 2.7% of 'economic output' we'll be right back to Q4 of 2015. We all remember the grinding poverty of Q4 2015. Thin horses pulling carts of rags up the rutted dirt track of the High Street.
I care about the quality of my human relationships and I like to be warm and I don't like being hungry. I do not, even notionally, care what the 'economic output' of Edinburgh is.
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The government is commissioning a "detailed assessment" of the costs and benefits of EU migrants as it plans how to manage immigration after Brexit.
A new set of rules is needed for when EU free movement ends in the UK.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd has asked the Migration Advisory Committee to study current migration trends and assess the impact of a cut in numbers.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40734504
Only just asked??
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/migration-advisory-committee
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Lack of planning is their specialisation!
Should people from 'not here' be allowed to make their home 'here'? Of course they should and yes it can 'distort' wages and house prices. The alternative though is a 'little Scotland' impoverished in the long term.
Of course we have confusing reports from Mr Corbyn.
(About his version of Brexit) "What there wouldn't be is the wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions particularly in the construction industry."Mark Lazarowicz, former Edinburgh (Labour) Council leader and MP for Edinburgh North and Leith 2001-2015 said:
"Shocked at this language from Jeremy Corbyn. Comments about Central European migrants could have been made by UKIP."Extracted from The National.
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I care about the quality of my human relationships and I like to be warm and I don't like being hungry. I do not, even notionally, care what the 'economic output' of Edinburgh is.
Which is fine, but when government is, even notionally, expecting that economic growth to deliver increases in tax income to pay for pensions, the NHS, infrastructure etc a 2.7% leads to a pretty big hole in everyone's pocket once it's been compounded a few years.
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@PS
I'm all in favour of working people looking after those can no longer work. 'Pensions' are a financialised description of that intergenerational contract.
I'm all in favour of looking after the sick. The NHS is as good a framework for that as I can imagine.
I'm all in favour of infrastructure if it leads to people's lives being richer and more fulfilling.
But the horror of the likely future of the UK of GB&NI isn't the loss of 2.7% of 'economic output'. GDP figures include the market in contaminated drugs and prostitution. Are we supposed to get all sad and worried about a decrease in commercial sex transactions? In derivative trading? In sales of electric batons?
What I was really trying to express was my irritation at the financial description of our society being confused with the actual human and physical reality. I think that's why conventional politics is so incomprehensible now. They tell us we're rich but we just feel sad, anxious and disorientated. I do anyway.
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More interestingly (to me) is the fact the report considers that while places like Edinburgh and London will take the biggest hit in the short term, the fact they are smart, vibrant places means they will bounce back quite quickly. Meanwhile - the poor, marginalised and forgotten places will suffer more in the long term. They start from a far worse place, meaning the economic hit they take is smaller - but don't have the resources or people to deal with that hit.
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@Morningsider
Good point. The people who voted for this thing because their lives were hard will have harder lives as a result.
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"What I was really trying to express was my irritation at the financial description of our society being confused with the actual human and physical reality."
"while places like Edinburgh and London will take the biggest hit in the short term, the fact they are smart, vibrant places means they will bounce back quite quickly. Meanwhile - the poor, marginalised and forgotten places will suffer more in the long term. "
Brexit is being conducted as 'being out of the EU will make it better for UK business/trade' plus (most crudely) 'need to stop foreigners taking our jobs'.
Even IF Brexit makes either 'true' (no way of knowing until it's too late to stop/reverse/revise) they are such minor (though overwhelming) details of life and living.
GDP and how it's measured and fetishised (and also taxed and spent) is probably a bigger problem (short and long term) than how Brexit will be transitioned.
Then there's Climate Change and whether Ed will get a cycle share scheme this century, etc.
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@IWRATS Unfortunately nowadays if we can't measure it, it didn't happen.
I'm not sure what it takes for folk to realise that endless consumption is not the root of happiness. Perhaps we could teach philosophy in school? Our failure to do that could well explain why the French are better than us.
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the French are better than us
There are some very attractive aspects to the French and their society, but some very unattractive ones too.
Their attachment to rigid social structures and the deep-seated racism of some of them wouldn't be out of place in 1950s Britain.
Couldn't agree more about teaching philosophy pure, moral and physical.
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The New European?
Does it matter what Steve Coogan thinks or any other comedian? That retro cover just made me realise how distant I feel from the process as presented in the One Britain mould so liked by southern media.
Just finished the Yanis Varfoukis book 'Adults in the Room'. Depressing and inspiring in equal measure. Makes you feel that you've sat through every Eurogroup meeting about the Greek situation. Wolfgang Schäuble almost changed his mind when confronted with how illogical the Troika's actions were.
Sure the current crop of comedians have read it and just think that the threat to walk out will serve them well. It won't.Posted 7 years ago # -
Further on the OLAM tip, I noticed this interesting analysis of the 2016 US Presidential election. Somehow I can't help feel there are parallels with the situation in the UK. Not just UK government not wanting to be seen to "punish" diesel drivers, but also Tory and SNP strategy of road building their way to prosperity...
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…none of the countless campaign reporters and commentators is on record as having noticed the car “affordability” statistics distributed in June 2016 via http://www.thecarconnection.com. Derived from very reliable Federal Reserve data, they depicted the awful predicament of almost half of all American households. Had journalists studied the numbers and pondered even briefly their implications, they could have determined a priori that only two candidates could win the Presidential election – Sanders and Trump – because none of the others even recognized that there was problem if median American households had been impoverished to the point that they could no longer afford a new car.
This itself was remarkable because four wheels and an engine might as well be grafted to Homo americanus, who rarely lives within walking distance of his or her job, or even a proper food shop, who rarely has access to useful public transport, and for whom a recalcitrant ignition or anything else that prevents driving often means the loss of a day’s earnings, as well as possibly crippling repair costs. But even that greatly understates the role of automobiles in the lives of the many Americans who do not have private jets and do not live in New York City or San Francisco, for whom a car provides not only truly essential transport, but also the intensely reassuring sense of freedom depicted in countless writings and films, which reflect the hard realities of labour-mobility imperatives even more than the romance of the open road.
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…Clinton did not understand in what country she was running for election: not one populated by black women (they dominated her convention), environmental activists, patriotic Muslims, vegans, committed free-traders and social engineers, but chiefly a country of car owners and bitterly frustrated would-be new car owners, a far better categorization than Clinton’s own “deplorables”.
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Why the Trump dynasty will last sixteen years
EDWARD N. LUTTWAKhttps://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/public/trump-dynasty-luttwak/
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Graphic in the Telegraph's lead Brexit story tells au all we need to know about how they see the impending imbroglio;
They don't want to accept that Éire is an independent country with a veto on any deal with the UK of GB&NI but it is and they do.
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By the looks of that map, climate change has flooded the entire RoI! We shall never stroll the banks of the Liffey again! Woe! Neither will be able to wander the Wicklow Hills.
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Hazmat suit required before clicking with a long stick;
Brexit is not the property of any political party – it belongs to the British people.
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Another Brexit voter on the radio this morning, piece about banks relocating to Dublin etc and he said he was mistaken to have voted to leave.
Increasingly it feels like The PEople Have Misspoken?
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Some British politicians suffer from an imperial reflex, however. For them, Britain lies at the centre of the world. We only have to state our aims and other countries will be generous enough to help us achieve them. Last year Brexiteers argued that Britain should leave an EU composed of ill-intentioned foreigners whose interests were in conflict with its own. This year it has been magically transformed into a charitable institution that can be relied on to safeguard our interests.
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Former BBC broadcaster Derek Bateman is refreshed after a holiday in France.
http://derekbateman.scot/2017/07/31/the-sun-has-got-his-hat-on-2/Posted 7 years ago # -
Baffling article from Macwhirter. He seems to think that the UK of GB&NI can unilaterally decide on the nature of both sides of its borders. It can't of course.
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