“Russia is our true saviour apparently.”
Maybe he is a fan of Alex Salmond’s TV programme(?)
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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STV tweeted.
'After the UK decided not to be in the EU, and many voters in Scotland indicated a desire to stay, the Kremlin changed its stance to anti-Scottish independence.'
Report published by US Senate DemocratsSo with 99% of channels on our freeview against a modicum of self goverment it's amazing that support is still as high as it is. How can that be? Even with BBC's Sarah Smith wrongly claiming that 100,000 Scots had waited more than four hours for NHS treatment*. Latest EU poll seems we still aren't getting message on that either.
Once new BBC Scotland TV special interest channel starts what will happen? I wonder though as Stuart Cosgrove has often said that we are living at the end of an era of trust in news anyway? Opinion is what we read to match our views (National included in that).* Figure in fact refers to an entire year of NHS Scotland visits, not a week. NHS here apparently measure waiting times in a different / less advantageous way than south too but that's another story.
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[list=1]w@laidback you seem to be critiquing your own critique there. Which is cool. (Not sure where the gubbins at the start of my sentence came from)
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@gembo - remember I'm selling the wrong types of bikes almost all the time so I'm really full of self doubt. That's good though as I would never blame someone for differing with my view as long as it's not just name calling. Think that's what makes the forum work so well.
I am mystified how the alernative self governing viewpoint in Scotland has been a constant. People try and say it's economic stupidity or hatred of the English and such things. Or maybe try and equate the EU ref with Indy Ref. The 45% in Scotland had no 'major' media like the Daily Mail or other TV stations behind them though. I don't think RT could really have boosted the vote that much. Only the Sunday Herald proclaimed for (as no National then).
On TV debates were usually three to one against Indy on channels supportive of status quo. On EU ref Farage is allowed instant access and equality as if he's a strong figure. So Indy had loads of voices for but could often only put one in ring for every three against. Sometimes two but the Greens had to fight for this. EU ref was a one on one fight with UKIP given parity evening in a country where it had almost zero support (ie Scotland).Posted 6 years ago # -
@laidback, block shift from old labour to new SNP led to approx 37per cent of electorate voting for good bad and indifferent SNP candidates same as used to happen when same varying quality candidates wearing the red rose were elected without question. This will go on regardless of record until the next block shift or until the block splits.
None of this translates to a 50.1% poll in a binary Indyref. Though I for one would vote yes to get back into Europe to try to stop highly stable genius racists
The rest is I think noise?
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The Scottish and UK governments could end up at the Supreme Court to settle rows about who has authority over devolved powers returning from Brussels after Brexit, a senior Scottish Tory has said
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Mmm
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Adonis spoke out in his first interview with the Scottish media after sensationally quitting as the UK Government's infrastructure tsar. He said he wanted to “work closely” with Sturgeon to make Westminster hold a second referendum.
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These are the choices facing the London regime. Click a button and place the UK of GB&NI in its new place in the world.
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Nice summary, but that’s just the ‘economic’ options - which is mostly what UK Gov is (apparently) concentrating on.
So much else will be lost if any of it happens.
Any ‘opportunities to trade with rest of the world’ are likely to be delusions in the minds of hard Brexiteers. There can be few things that the UK uniquely produces that the rest of world will want that it isn’t already buying - unless the pound and/or production costs go down further.
Notions of ‘taking back control’ are already visibly nonsense - unless the UK takes its small ball back and only plays with anyone willing to go along with whatever regulations it decides it can live with.
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There can be few things that the UK uniquely produces that the rest of world will want that it isn’t already buying
Innovative jam?
There's actually a button missing, which is whatever the EU27 might offer if London begs to take back the Article 50 letter. Eurozone and Schengen to signal renewed commitment to the Project maybe?
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http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0053/00530160.pdf
'Crown Copyright'. Uh-huh.
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Andrea Leadsom thinks this is a good idea:
I’m joining @TheSun’s campaign calling for @RoyalMailStamps to issue a Brexit design in time for our independence day in March 2019! @RoyalMail
Peat Worrier & friends have responses:
Your suggestions please. I'd like a topless Nelson, athwart a burning frigate, using a patriotic wedge of bakewell tart to lay low the feeble werewolf of Corsica.
I quite enjoyed this thread.
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“ 'Crown Copyright'. Uh-huh.“
Then this -
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Where we have identified any third party copyright information you will need to obtain permission from the copyright holders concerned.
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So, they know that some bits they have included don’t belong to them, but they are not saying which.
‘If you copy any bits, beware.’
Odd.
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No, that's boilerplate - "where we have identified" just means "if it says it's NOT our copyright, you have to ask the copyright holder". Not every document will have any sections identified thus - because there may not be any. Easier to include catch-all copyright text on everything.
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“No, that's boilerplate”
Ok, I obviously don’t read enough Gov docs!
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I wondered about this;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/17/britons-dutch-court-eu-rights-cannot-be-removed
I'm an EU citizen and the TFEU details no mechanism whereby that citizenship can be removed once acquired. And yet people seem to be assuming that HMG can remove it by removing the UK of GB&NI from the EU.
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The Sun: Bye-EU Tapestry
Ends with decapitated European leaders.
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@IanMurrayMP
Jan 21Ian Murray MP comments via Twitter on Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell MP's statement on The Andrew Marr Show.
"What utter disingenuous claptrap. The EU has made it clear that you can’t be in a single market with “all the same benefits” without participating in “the” single market. If you want all the same benefits you have to be in it."- "It would not be the same single market, but would be access to a single market" - @johnmcdonnellMP on Labour's Brexit position on the single market #marr
@unhurt - tapestry loan to England is very amusing.
I know it was a UK wide EU vote, but each nation in the UK had its own Unionist campaign leaders and campaign. So to ignore the geographical differentials now was bound to cause problems. Blanket Britification can only cover so much even with massive press and media support.
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The chancellor, who is a keen advocate for keeping the UK closely aligned to EU rules and regulations in the hope of minimising economic disruption after the UK leaves the bloc, said that rather than reaping a Brexit dividend, the economy was suffering due to uncertainty over the future.
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Things now become very fraught. The EU has published its guidelines on the conditions for the postponement of the effect of the UK's exit from the EU.
15. During the transition period, and in line with the European Council guidelines of 29 April 2017, the United Kingdom should remain bound by the obligations stemming from the agreements concluded by the Union, or by Member States acting on its behalf, or by the Union and its Member States acting jointly, while the United Kingdom should however no longer participate in any bodies set up by those agreements.
The proposal is that the UK should, for two years, have all of the obligations of a member state but no say in determining what those obligations might be. I'm not convinced that that's the outcome that the people behind the Leave vote (politicians, funders and voters) had in mind.
It would mean that more than four years after the vote EU law and the four freedoms would still apply. It will be a skilled politician can sell that to a skeptical public. The next European elections are due in 2019 - how would they be reported by the BBC?
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Angela Merkel reportedly left journalists “laughing uproariously” after mocking Theresa May‘s attempts to negotiate a trading relationship post-Brexit.
The German chancellor said she had been trapped in a recurring conversation with the British Prime Minister since the EU referendum in 2016.
Speaking to a “secret” press meeting at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Ms Merkel claimed Ms May had repeatedly asked her to “make me an offer”, according to a report by ITV political pundit Robert Peston.
Ms Merkel said that when she replied “but you’re leaving – we don’t have to make you an offer. Come on what do you want?”, Ms May replied again, “Make me an offer.”
“And so, according to Mrs Merkel, the two find themselves trapped in a recurring loop of ‘what do you want?’ and ‘make me an offer’,” Mr Peston wrote on his Facebook page.
From Independent
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With Theresa May struggling to keep the lid on Tory splits over the handling of Brexit, Ms Davidson was asked if she thought the Conservative brand would be “retoxified” following European Union withdrawal.“My worry is actually much greater than that,” Ms Davidson replied. “My worry is that we’re about to head into a culture war around the world where it’s not a question of left versus right any more – it’s a question of open versus closed.
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And would Ms Davidson be on the 'open' or the 'closed' side in this 'culture' 'war'? And what actions will she take to lessen the likelihood of this happening?
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News from China
It seems T May doesn't like the idea of continuing the freedom of movement agreements during the transitionary period starting next year.
Not surprisingly the EU has just reminded her what they have just agreed.
This blunder actively damages relations with our neighbours and is a very poor tactic if they think this will be of any benefit. Any remnants of goodwill and trust will now have been drained.I understood that:
The agreement states no barriers between Ireland and NI.
The agreement also states no barriers or differences between NI and England, Wales and Scotland.
I might be wrong in wording but spirit of deal was clear I thought.Has she forgotten already?
No wonder Scot Gov still can't get agreement on powers coming to Holyrood.
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FARMERS have had to leave thousands of tonnes of fresh fruit and vegetables to rot in fields because of the fall in the number of workers coming to Scotland from the EU since the UK voted for Brexit.
One farmer in Fife said he dumped enough vegetables to “feed 15,000 people for a year” because there “wasn’t enough hands” to harvest it. Another farmer in Angus said the region requires 4,000 seasonal workers a year and there simply aren’t enough unemployed locals to pick the fruit he grows.
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