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Yes, that is why I automatically rail against such an attitude.
If believing that wanting to vote out makes one a fan of Nigel Farage and UKIP then by all means vote remain. I would prefer it if other matters were taken into consideration myself. It is unfortunate that that element exists but if I were for example a football fan and English I would still support the England football team and be proud of it and not let the idiots win.
*you may insert Russia if that helps!
Stickman My issue is that in the event of a Leave vote then Farage is likely to take it as a signal to push his anti-immigrant agenda further, with some racists who voted Leave encouraged.
Sorry you posted while I was typing.
Well it might and that would be a pain but if you look across Europe, the far right parties are becoming increasingly popular and whatever the complicated reasons behind it, it is not because these countries are having an EU referendum.
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If it seems the EU referendum debate just involves two politicians shouting contradictory statistics at each other - then we are here to help.
In this series, we're giving you a break from the politicians and we're going to try to figure out the truth. Bracing concept, isn't it? We'll be looking at some of the big questions - the cost of being a member, immigration, lawmaking and trade.
But today we're looking at EU regulation. Tim Harford asks how much red tape from the EU is costs the UK and what might happen if we leave?
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"My issue is that in the event of a Leave vote then Farage is likely to take it as a signal to push his anti-immigrant agenda further, with some racists who voted Leave encouraged."
I agree, they undoubtedly will.
I also happen to believe that irrespective of the referendum outcome, or indeed any other event in their petty little lives, that will be their primary agenda. The EURef will have little bearing on that.
How little Britain's little racists are likely to react to an election will not afect my vote on it. Their horrible views should be challenged in a more direct manner.
Not sure the pic helps their cause...
Really deep, gutteral worry now that with no general election we are on course have our government overthrown from the inside by a hodgepodge gang of the nastiest, most xenophobic politicians in Britain.
Can you please explain Klaxon?
One other possibility with the UKIP/Farrage thing if the vote is to leave is that with their job done they may go away. They will not want to go away of course but they may just quietly die on their arses the way the BNP did when it got displaced by UKIP?
"we are on course have our government overthrown from the inside"
That does seem possible - whatever the vote.
But surely it would mean that those deposed would have to meekly accept it and vote with the 'new government'. With such a small Tory majority that might not work(?)
"One other possibility with the UKIP/Farrage thing if the vote is to leave is that with their job done they may go away"
Exactly. It was actually posited that had Scotland voted Yes then the SNP might have melted away, having achieved its aims, or at the very least evolve into something else.
I do think the same might happen were the UK to vote to Leave. Farage will have his moment in the sun, then the hard work starts of just how we organise ourselves. And either the immigration 'problem' goes away, in which case there's no need for a UKIP; or it remains the same, and they are proved to have been utterly disingenuous in their claims (especially if we have a Norwegian model which allows free movement).
And while I think those at the forefront of Leave do seem to be the nastiest, and xenophobic of the politicians; don't forget the likes of Tony Blair support Remain, and he's not exactly an unblemished individual.
I like Bruce Fumey's take on the issue. Its short and sweet. As the world's funniest Afro-Scots stand up comedian, he is clearly looking for a few smirks. He is also being serious though.
"It all boils down to whether you prefer to have your politians bribed in Euros or Sterling"
"And while I think those at the forefront of Leave do seem to be the nastiest, and xenophobic of the politicians; don't forget the likes of Tony Blair support Remain, and he's not exactly an unblemished individual."
Yes - but I think Leave are "winning" in depth and numbers. Today we had a squadron of tory old favourites pitching in.
Depends on how you weigh war crimes against not liking foreigners... ;)
And while I think those at the forefront of Leave do seem to be the nastiest, and xenophobic of the politicians;
Yes, that is close to giving me pause for thought but for the fact that no politician on either side seems to be saying anything worthwhile. I think the quote ECT gave above applies! The only one on either side I would be inclined to give the time of day to is Gordon Brown and that is just because he gives a great speech and is a rubbish liar.
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Former Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson and Prime Minister David Cameron drink from Stronger-In mugs as they hold informal EU talks.
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"Depends on how you weigh war crimes against not liking foreigners... "
Plenty from previous governments with war experience. And I am not sure that Nigel Lawson adds credibility to any campaign.
But of course we shouldn't be swayed by personalities (however incoherent, petty and selfish they are).
"But of course we shouldn't be swayed by personalities (however incoherent, petty and selfish they are)."
Jeremy says -
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In 1973 my parents held a Common Market party. They’d lived through the war, and for them it seemed a good idea to form closer ties with our endlessly troublesome neighbours. For me, however, it was a chance to make flags out of coloured felt and to eat exotic foods such as sausage and pasta. I felt very European that night, and I still do.
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(however incoherent, petty and selfish they are)."
Jeremy says -
Lol!
To create a United States of Europe that functions as well as the United States of America?
:-/ Does he hear himself?
I love Europe, and to me that’s important.
This is another insinuation sometimes made by Innies that I find irritating. Europe is not the EU. You can love one and not the other.
Jeremy says....
Just heard on the radio that there are only 3 things that Clarkson and James May agree on,
To remain in the EU
Some Subaru is a great car
Sandwich spread is really delicious.
Make of that what you will.
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Vote Leave has suspended campaigning for the day after the shooting of Labour MP Jo Cox
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Horrendous. Mixed reports of what actually happened so far. I hope she pulls through but it sounds very serious.
Sounds desperate, just hope Ms Cox pulls through -thoughts with her and her loved ones.
Glad all campaigning has stopped, some things are just so much more important.
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16/06/2016, 17:15
BREAKING: The Labour MP Jo Cox, who was shot and stabbed in West Yorkshire, has died.
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It has all taken a much more sinister turn. I feel so sad for Mr Cox and his kids. I'm not one for this modern day phenomenon of collective grief, but I genuinely feel a bit sick right now.
I wonder if Farage will moderate his hate preaching in light of this. It could all get an awful lot worse.
I felt very sick during the indyref because it's always a rotten idea to stir nationalism. You don't know what is going to come oozing out. I feel even more sick now. Maybe this was an isolated guy with a mental illness, but this kind of polarising tribalism doesn't do us any good.
SRD has just tweeted a link between the alleged killer and a racist South African organisation. An organisation that also had links with Farage.
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Don't want to 'close things down' but people wanting to find out about the various rumours and speculation can find plenty for themselves on Twitter.
Random act of badness by someone who under the UK system is 'innocent until proven guilty' who may or may not have been infuenced/radicalised by reading and associating.
A seemingly well researched piece in The Herald, paints a wholly different picture from the early reports...
It's entirely possible for someone to have mental health issues and to be a racist as well. Just like there are lots of people with mental health issues who are not racists.
More recently I tweeted a link to receipt archived by Southern Poverty Lae showing someone of the same name and address buying far right literature and weapons manufacturing manuals.
None of which is conclusive. But we might consider that extremists of all kinds exploit vulnerable people.
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