So if Ms May's statement is to be believed, the "Brexit dividend" is actually a tax increase? Or did I mishear?
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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@crowriver
You didn't mishear. It's called taking back control
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Oh yeah, and that £2 billion for the NHS will arrive "by 2023/4". That's five years away, and beyond the current terms of both the Westminster or Holyrood parliaments. So don't go ordering that new CAT scanner just yet or employing any extra GPs for the time being, okay?
Not so much jam tomorrow, as jam in five years' time, the other side of the long grass and well into the next field beyond Gallows Hill.
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Seems to be ALL the money ‘we will no longer pay to the EU’ (which won’t be a large amount for the next few years, due to ‘transition’ and paying for things UK still wants to be part of) PLUS extra taxes.
So the farmers (etc.) won’t be getting rebates/subsidies and presumably UKGov won’t have the cash to fund any of the rural/regional spending (etc.) that the EU current pays for.
However, the NHS still has 6 months to work out what it would spend any extra cash on.
At least some noises are being made about saving money by spending on prevention/Public Health so maybe walking/cycling will be mentioned more often (but don’t expect any more money!)
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As we are probably locked into austerity for the indefinite future, you'd think the penny might drop that pouring money into the bottomless pit of automotive infrastructure is not value for money.
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from twitter
Heather Stewart
(@GuardianHeather)
One member of May’s audience I met on way to station not tremendously impressed. “It’s not enough - she’s giving us less money than Thatcher did”. What about all that stuff about making the NHS a more attractive career choice, I say? “Bollocks.”Posted 6 years ago # -
Tax rises being unpopular things, this will basically be via massively increased government borrowing and cuts elsewhere. Plus ca change.
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The CAP subsidies are 40% of the EU budget. If farm subsidies are to be redirected to health care I'd expect to see headlines. There can't be many farms in the UK that are viable without subsidy.
I suppose the nature of the UK's society post-29/03/2019 will become clear at some point. I'm intrigued to see how we will be living and who it will be that makes the decision. It's exciting.
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"It's exciting."
That's one way of putting it.
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Largely hidden by today's NHS announcement:
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UK to unveil details of plans for EU citizens who wish to remain
The UK government will this week unveil the first details of the “settled status” immigration scheme that will apply to Britain’s 3.4 million EU citizens if they want to stay in the country after Brexit.
It is planning to publish a “statement of intent” on Thursday, which will be the first sight of the registration system which the former home secretary Amber Rudd has previously said would be “as easy as setting up an online account at LK Bennett”.
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the “settled status” immigration scheme that will apply to Britain’s 3.4 million EU citizens if they want to stay
I hope they boycott this system. I'll support any that do. I know Christian Allard, former MSP, has declared such an intention.
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Professor of Public Law at Strathclyde Uni;
Supporters of devolution should be very concerned about what happens next.
Pedal on Parliament depends on Holyrood having genuine power over transport policy.
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Good to know that good chaps are running the show.
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Linley fails to see problem in cycle safety row
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/sep/27/monarchy.stephenbates
He was a keen racing cyclist as a teenager and (apparently) ‘quite promising’.
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Of the 19 candidates this time around, the 56-year old Lord Snowdon - better known under his previous title of Lord Linley - is the only one not to issue a short statement outlining his reasons for standing and his relevant experience.
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So doesn’t want to be elected??
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So doesn’t want to be elected??
Not necessarily. With such a small electorate, there're better ways of reaching out to voters than issuing a manifesto.
Last time there was a Lib Dem vacancy, there were three seven candidates. Six of them issued manifestos, but the one who didn't (John Sinclair ("Viscount Thurso")) was unanimously elected.
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Seems he was riding one of these.
Not sure I'd perch a bairn on that rear rack TBH, but hey no-one was injured.
In this case and the Peerage election, I conclude that traditional aristocratic disdain for the opinions of others is the main factor. It has its uses...
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What a bazar system where hereditary are elected from a list, still with most of lords totally unelected many ex corrupt officials double dipping at public expense. In the pub on Saturday evening I was discussing the blocked supressed plates on cars and how the government pass these secrete rules and regs that no one voted and then public are not told. A question then arose how do we know uks secrete laws are compliant with EU law, if the British public are not told is the EU? Its largely a moot point in practice but a curiosity.
In respect to cost for damage to my car (an official type crashed in to it police were not allowed to name 5 years ago) institutionally corrupt UK system where mps vote for laws which enable officials not to be named to insurance companies or the public or the dvla just on the police system. The police then are legally required to obstruct the course of justice by not naming the person.
We concluded after enough pints that the MPs/officals who voted this legislation agreed the rules should be legally liable for the cost of the damage and possibly for perverting the cost of justice if the public did not vote or get told then liability should be held by the enablers. So many of the current peers who are ex mps and have choose to engage in the institutional corruption should probably be banned from the lords have a fine be tagged or in jail. The corrupt ex officials that fill the lords do not fare better. There seems to be adverse selection with the appointed lords the only answer may be full election of all members.
The privilege based system where it’s the relative privilege of who crashes in to car and who’s car It is should be replaced by a rules based system and end to the special treatment; if an official thinks too important to have their registration on the dvla system they should get a bicycle. The Crown cars should also have to pay insurance, as currently crown vehicles do not all MOD etc, and they are exempt from the MIB (motor insurance bureau) fund that pays for uninsured vehicles. The MIB also told me my claim would not work as blocked plate cars do not qualify as untraced. So it seems the only cars that not pay insurance or not be covered by the uninsured/untraced fund are those ones the gov is offering special privileges to.
People talk of bicycles having insurance and registration yet, crown vehicles and many officials dont even have both of those on motor vehicles yet. Until we reach a point of civilization/development where all motor vehicles require insurance and registration then putting the cart before the horse with bicycles other countries that allow unregistered officials and no motor insurance dont have bicycle insurance requirements.
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So it would appear the Commons has rejected the opportunity for a "meaningful vote" on the terms of Brexit.
Start stockpiling canned and dried foodstuffs now in preparation for the cliff edge.
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If I was reliant on medication for a chronic condition I might well think about stockpiling now.
No withdrawal deal without border agreement - Coveney
The compromises necessary for the Irish border to remain invisible do seem to be beyond the current London regime's capacity to accept the consequences of its actions.
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“The compromises necessary for the Irish border to remain invisible do seem to be beyond the current London regime's capacity to accept the consequences of its actions.”
That’s polite!
UKGov still stuck with ‘agreement more in your interest than ours, so stop being awkward’.
Negotiating with Imperial strength...
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If I was reliant on medication for a chronic condition I might well think about stockpiling now.
I've been worrying about this for some time.
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Good to know that somebody is I suppose.
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Is it paranoia to wonder if there aren't some amongst our "leaders" who would relish the sort of no deal disaster that would require some sort of state of emergency - the kind that, much like the self-perpetuating "war on terror", never reaches a state where it rolls back those 'temporary' losses of rights & freedoms?
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“Is it paranoia to wonder if”
No
“there aren't some amongst our "leaders" who would relish the sort of no deal disaster“
Depends how you define leaders. Pretty clear that some Tory Brexiteers want ‘no deal’.
Some can see financial gain for themselves and ‘friends’. Others, no doubt, like the idea of “taking back Control”...
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Trolling level: Transcendental
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Airbus and Nicola Sturgeon warning government of consequences today.
New Brextannia will be a semi-unitary state on a quite surreal level favouring neither mammoth transnationals such as Airbus nor minority interest groups like Scotland, Manchester, Northern Ireland etc.
So refreshing.... ;-)
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Airbus story:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44570931
Airbus has warned it could leave the UK if the country exits the European Union single market and customs union without a transition deal
And The Times itself going with a more definite headline of:
Airbus prepares to move business from Britain over Brexit fears
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/airbus-prepares-to-move-business-from-britain-over-brexit-fears-f6jnc7x2j (pay-walled)
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I'm still trying to work out exactly who will benefit from Brexit economically.
My initial guess some time ago was that the opportunistic types would benefit most: currency speculators, hedge funds, asset strippers, vulture capitalists, mergers and acquisitions consultants, offshore investment specialists, personal wealth managers, private security firms, private healthcare insurance providers, etc. Basically any firms whose business model thrives on disruption, instability and misfortune; or who help the rich to salt their wealth away where government and plebs can't touch it.
Thinking on it, I still think these are the interests, maybe the only interests, who will benefit substantially from the UK economy hurtling over the cliff edge. It may be worth having a look at the business interests of leading Brexiteers and also those in the government (or their partners). Two prime examples being Rees-Mogg and May's husband. Presumably there are others whose interests are not direct, but connected through friends and cronies.
This is why Brexit is happening the way it is. Nothing to do with "will of the people" and much more to do with the narrow interests of elite groups close to the leadership of the Conservative party.
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… and also those who will benefit from massive Trumpian deregulation in all sectors of the economy. So all those you mentioned. The people who were duped into voting for it won't.
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“My initial guess some time ago was that the opportunistic types would benefit most: currency speculators, hedge funds, asset strippers, vulture capitalists, mergers and acquisitions consultants, offshore investment specialists, personal wealth managers, private security firms, private healthcare insurance providers, etc. Basically any firms whose business model thrives on disruption, instability and misfortune; or who help the rich to salt their wealth away where government and plebs can't touch it.“
That covers most things.
Think Russia and its ‘new economy’ created by its mass privatisation.
(Or should that be “new billionaires” - some of whom are close to politics...)
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