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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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BRUSSELS has accused British politicians of pinning a “blame game” on the EU over the prospect of a no-deal Brexit as it made clear it would not compromise on its fundamental principles such as protecting the single market.
As the talks enter their final phase, Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, said there would now be “continuous” negotiations until the deadline, which he appeared to extend from the mid-October European Council to early November.
Following the latest round of talks in the Belgian capital, Dominic Raab, the Brexit Secretary, insisted with ambition and application, as well as compromise, both sides could “get over the line” but he pointed to how there were still some significant issues to overcome, not least the Irish border.
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Just back from a few weeks in the Other World, possibly for the last time without a visa.
Took the mother-out-law for a run to the village where she grew up. Standing in front of the school she lived in as a child she reminisced about watching in horror as German aircraft advanced up the valley dropping bombs. As everywhere in France, the area is peppered with plaques commemorating those murdered by the Nazis.
Football-prompted I suppose but many private houses were bedecked in the national flag, which is unusual. Chatted to a genial retired policeman who wants to put all Muslims with a 'Fiche S' into internment camps.
A few folk asked me about Brexit in the same way as you might talk to an acquaintance who has declared an intention to get a full-face Swastika tattoo.
I instinctively answered the 'UK Border Force' lady in Calais who addressed me in English in French, choosing to respect Article 2 of the constitution of the fifth republic rather than British social niceties. On arrival in Dover in the wee small hours the M20 was shut. The sign-posted diversion directed you straight back to Dover in an endless loop. I wound down the windows and put the Proclaimers on full blast at Gretna.
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I look forward to reading the text of the 'no deal deal' hammered out between Raab C Brexit and monsieur Barnier. We seem to be living in a Salvador Dali painting now.
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From link
“British businesses will be required to treat EU nations as "third countries" in the event of a no deal Brexit, declaring all imports from the continent and paying customs duties, The Telegraph has learned.”
‘Telegraph admits to being slow learner shock’!
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But what does Olly Robbins think?
Anyway Rees Mogg was on Today this morning and everything is going to be just fine so you can all relax.
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Yeah so today's the day they publish all those documents outlining the looming cliff edge leap into the void, and where exactly the food riots are predicted to happen first.
Anyone read them? Have a view you want to share?
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Keir Starmer dismissed claims ‘civil disobedience’ would come from a second Brexit referendum
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That's the Chaos Papers published.
Don't be looking for too much detail...
For parcels valued up to and including £135, a technology-based solution will allow VAT to be collected from the overseas business selling the goods into the UK.
Robotic VAT unicorns.
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Irish border question seems utterly unresolved even in case of no deal.
https://twitter.com/mckinneytweets/status/1032587501767208960
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The Irish government have indicated they would need to discuss arrangements in the event of no deal with the European Commission and EU member states. We would recommend that, if you trade across the land border, you should consider whether you will need advice from the Irish government about preparations you need to make.
So Northern Irish people can just sort their weird Irish lives out themselves?
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Here's STV's take. If you are planning a holiday in the EU next year, maybe just take cash with you? If you can get off the island that is, what with all the tailbacks of lorries at ports and planes unable to fly...
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Credit and debit charges may soar after no-deal Brexit
https://stv.tv/news/politics/1428371-credit-and-debit-charges-will-soar-after-no-deal-brexit/
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John Pienaar On R4 - Brexit proposals “contain fair slice of wishful thinking”.
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And there was fresh division within the government over the possibility of a no-deal scenario, with Philip Hammond warning that failure to secure a Brexit deal would have “large fiscal consequences”.
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They haven't a clue what they're doing, do they?
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I don’t think that’s fair.
They are waiting for the EU to see sense...
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On the plus side, we won't have to worry so much about making up the Common Agricultural Policy payments because according to the NFU a no deal brexit will drive many smaller farmers to the wall. Fewer farms, fewer payments required.
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I wonder how many of these MPs were considered spoilt brats when they were younger. Having always got their own way, they continue assuming that is was because they earnt it. They haven't got the nous to realise it was privilege not personality which got then there.
Put that sense of entitlement into an arena where the other side has zero interest in benefiting them and they don't have a clue.
This is an over simplification but is it wrong?
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“but is it wrong?”
Probably not, but I think it’s deeper than that.
‘This is BRITAIN, we are IMPORTANT.’
Not mentioning the war, but some of the MPs are thinking about the 30s (or perhaps earlier) and/or the 50s.
Most weren’t alive in either period.
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‘This is BRITAIN, we were IMPORTANT (100 years ago).'
FTFY. You're welcome.
See also:
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Whatever happened to the British Empire?
The power and influence of the British Empire once held its grip on the four corners of the globe. Over hundreds of years Britain gradually expanded its reach in a seemingly never-ending rise to total control. In the 20th Century, however, everything changed. In a matter of decades, this gigantic structure utterly collapsed and left a controversial legacy in its wake.
What's left of the Empire?
It may not be the colossal world power it once was but technically the Empire is still in existence. As of 2015, 14 territories, outside the British Isles, still remain under British rule.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zcnmtfr
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Related:
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What is the point of the Commonwealth today?
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Put that sense of entitlement into an arena where the other side has zero interest in benefiting them and they don't have a clue.
Bingo. We're paying the bill for letting the posh boys and girls run the show for so long. And in 'show' I include journalism and the rest.
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British exceptionalism, fostered by memories of Empire, jingoism and all those "national" institutions that are based in the hothouse environment of an on-steroids London, has an awful lot to answer for...
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And in 'show' I include journalism and the rest.
A very large part of the problem!
Given our propensity for letting foreign governments run out key infrastructure we are at risk of looking more like a colony than an empire.
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Just back from the fifth republic, where many if not most politicians have higher degrees in public administration. Admission to the schools of administration is by open competition (though the actual operation of the competitions is half-open half stitch-up).
The result is a technocratic political class largely devoid of aristocrats and sweaty bluffers, but it doesn't seem to be viewed with much more fondness than the London mob.
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It looks to me like everyone now accepts that the only possible Brexit dividend is a massive crucible of molten shame for every single person even tangentially involved in this surgically precise humbling of the UK of GB&NI.
Blame will now be passed, along with the inevitable filthy consequences, to us.
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If you pay Dave and Fred Barclay, resident on the island of Brecqhou for tax reasons, a few quid you can find out what the prime minister imagines she has in store for you.
I don't think I'll bother.
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