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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from LaidBack

  1. I were right about that saddle
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    Even Conservative MPs are panicking now;

    http://betterbrexit.org.uk

    The referendum was intended to settle the internal dispute in their party but seems not have succeeded even in that limited aim.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    I see their website design is from the 1990s. Which, admittedly, is more up to date than some of their other policies.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. I were right about that saddle
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    @Frenchy

    I thought the funniest aspect (of the many side-splitters) was the implied proposal for the UK of GB&NI to go on bended knee to Iceland, the country it invoked anti-terrorist financial legislation against only ten years ago, to plead for EFTA membership. I'm sure the three cod wars are forgotten now, but that one likely still stings a bit for the Icelanders.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. I were right about that saddle
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    STEP 3 – Negotiate Long Term Relationship from Position of Strength

    I think Nick Boles MP has mixed up his teenage diaries with his political website.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    STEP 4 – Prepare properly for trade on World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms

    Implement massive programme of investment to transform UK's ability to trade successfully on WTO terms in case UK cannot accept EU terms for FTA

    “massive programme of investment to transform” - not really the style of recent Tory Govs.

    Might be even harder to find the money after Brexit.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. chdot
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    Brexit will put the Union in peril according to fresh polling, which shows that leaving the EU under any conditions will build majority support for Scottish independence and the reunification of Ireland.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-brexit-will-build-majority-support-for-scottish-independence-1-4793857

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. chdot
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    If only Brexit were as easy as writing yet another rousing Telegraph column.

    It is as if a couple of years as an actual cabinet minister had no effect on Boris Johnson.

    Reverting to type ((literally).

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1036510762754297856

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. chdot
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  9. unhurt
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  10. I were right about that saddle
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    “It is a 54-box declaration with a lot of details in it,” she told a conference organised by the British-Irish Chamber of Commerce in Dublin.

    I crossed the Irish border before the Good Friday Agreement and it was genuinely frightening. Real security, not the theatrical stuff you see at airports.

    Almost incredible that we seem to be headed back to those days by accident.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. unhurt
    Member

    Is it "by accident“? I think the minority of powerful brexiters who stand to profit simply consider it a price worth paying. Can't coherently articulate my fury and loathing.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. Snowy
    Member

    On the plus side, nautical smuggling ought to become a growth industry again.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. I were right about that saddle
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    Daniel Keohane is Senior Researcher at the Centre for Security Studies in Zurich,

    Neutral observer abroad predicts inevitable return to division in Ireland if this thing goes ahead.

    Also, UK-based commentators are literally insane;

    A UK that had left the EU would undoubtedly become a pole of attraction for the Republic of Ireland.

    As @Snowy points out we are creating a gangsters' paradise.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. chdot
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  15. chdot
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  16. LaidBack
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    **New** Sunday National has a nice accurate picture of him on front page!

    https://twitter.com/callumbaird1/status/1038764388793102338

    The Herald on Sunday has a story about Calmac ferry failures.

    Interesting to see these two new titles from NewsQuest will compete / co-exist. They share the same magazine.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. unhurt
    Member

    Lots more of this to come. Hurrah. Great.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/world/europe/uk-austerity-poverty.html

    "Whatever the operative thinking, austerity’s manifestations are palpable and omnipresent. It has refashioned British society, making it less like the rest of Western Europe, with its generous social safety nets and egalitarian ethos, and more like the United States, where millions lack health care and job loss can set off a precipitous plunge in fortunes."

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
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    @unhurt, you missed the good news. All will be well and anyone standing in the way of the glorious revolution will know the wrath of the people.

    “Economists for Free Trade have calculated that a WTO agreement would result in a £1.1 trillion boost to the economy over 15 years, because our trade with WTO countries has grown four times faster than our trade under single-market terms. Prices would go down by as much as 8 per cent for some basic items such as food and footwear, meaning it would provide the biggest benefit to the least well-off.”

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. unhurt
    Member

    Gold plated unicorns for all?

    ETA when he says "food" does he perhaps mean whatever America chooses to dump on us?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    “Gold plated unicorns”

    Much overrated.

    The solid silver ones are much more practical.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. steveo
    Member

    I'm sure we're all looking forward to the London airlift of hershes "chocolate", waxed apples and mystery meat.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. I were right about that saddle
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    @unhurt

    Key phrase is 'food and footwear'.

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    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. Morningsider
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    IWRATS - if you are feeling particularly strong of stomach, go and have a look at the "Economists for Free Trade" website. They seriously argue that up is down, black is white, Rees-Mogg is serious poltician etc.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. I were right about that saddle
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    @Morningsider

    Well I try to be open-minded about these things but the acid test for insanity in any Brexit issue is Ireland. Given the positions held by their team and advisors that is some truly terrifying gibberish;

    The politics of the Northern Ireland border fanned by party political issues in the Republic together with manipulation of these issues by the EU have put trade across the Northern Ireland border at the centre of Brexit negotiations

    And they seem to think that 'Ulster' is a happy synonym for 'Northern Ireland'.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. unhurt
    Member

    And they seem to think that 'Ulster' is a happy synonym for 'Northern Ireland'.

    Ummmmmm.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. paddyirish
    Member

    Economists for free trade have published their detailed analysis on the Economic impact of a no-deal Brexit

    Brexit Latest: the pound will both fall and rise, and both will be good news. http://pic.twitter.com/c6Dpts6AOe

    and

    In case you were worried about the risks of a no-deal, the pro-Brexit group Economists for Free Trade have produced an FAQ to set your mind at rest http://pic.twitter.com/gLCrlL8ayC

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    I’m convinced...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. I were right about that saddle
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    Nipped in to Holyrood to hear Mike Russell's statement on preparations for chaotic exit from the EU.

    Professor Adam Tomkins MSP asked a question that made him look so mad he might just as well have dropped from the rafters like a giant bat.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. LaidBack
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    Professor Adam Tomkins MSP - he's just a bit nutty. Another top comedian from the party of hopelessness!

    Just saw the clip - as a member of a minority party in Scotland you'd think he would be a bit calmer trying to win over views. But of course to him Scotland is just an errant region needing to be brought into line. He's angry as we are being wooed by the endless pro Europe, pro Indy media we have here ;-)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
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    @LaidBack

    The clip doesn't do him justice. His voice was so piercing the guy next to me jumped in his seat.

    And as you say, crowing that you have trapped everyone between a lava flow and the raging sea and what are you going to do about it? is not a good look for making friends. I don't think they want friends.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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