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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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Posted 6 years ago #
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The politics of food and farming really haven't been talked about in my lifetime, which is odd given our reliance on food.
The Scottish Government passed a bill to allow EU law to continue to apply to Scotland in all non-reserved matters but the UK government took them to court arguing that that is not , or rather won't be, a devolved matter.
I guess farmers need to be planning now what they'll grow next year. This must all be fascinating for them.
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I'm not even mad; that's amazing.
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@Stickman
I. What?
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I happened to be at a medium sized manufacturing business yesterday.
Supplies a wide range of companies inc many well known whisky ones.
‘Business is good and we expect to expand, but it’s possible that Brexit could mean that some of the people we sell to go bust’.
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@Stickman
That rabbit hole is deep and twisted. "SNP MPs will side with hardline Brexiteers and vote down Chequers deal at Westminster, taking us to no-deal Brexit"
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Utterly shameless.
And as history has shown, the Conservatives always unite at the last minute in order to save their party.
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“always unite at the last minute in order to save their party“
Not even last minute.
Last couple of days have been quite fascinating.
The absurd wing has been heavying its extremists to ‘back May’ as long as she abandons Chequers.
Which is fine as Brussels doesn’t want it either.
But the idea that the Rees Mogg answer to the current Irish Question will be acceptable is just bizarre.
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What I cannot figure out with Rees-Mogg is what his motivation is.
Surely he can't be so greedy for personal wealth that he wants to destroy the country? Can he...?
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Perhaps.
Lack of empathy as a result of upbringing?
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Even if they don’t admit it, everyone knows the Government’s Chequers strategy is an exercise in going through the motions. Even in the current climate, I was surprised by how casually one Conservative MP slipped into the conversation that “the Prime Minister isn’t really in charge.”
The only question is how complete Brussels’ rejection of Chequers will be, and whether its tone will be gentle enough to allow Theresa May to survive in Number 10. Meanwhile, after decades of agitating, Brexiteers have realised they have no alternative plan. Their insistence on ideological purity means they can only say “no”.
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What I cannot figure out with Rees-Mogg is what his motivation is.
Every country has its blind-spots. I do wonder if these people are motivated by something that would be quite obvious were they operating in another country: nationalism.
I'd say they are Anglo-British ultra-nationalists.
We can test that by seeing if their actions are consistent with a desire to see England/Britain/UK as special, unique and separate from other less worthy countries. As ever Ireland is the place to start. Do they see the republic as a sovereign country like any other or as a renegade province run by horse thieves and leprechauns?
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I expect they would classify themselves as patriots rather than nationalists, though the difference is so fine as to be meaningless.
Their notions of Britain seem to stem from the days of Empire when the wealth of the world flowed into Britain on the strength of colonialism and gunboat diplomacy.
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Because the Article 50 letter was sent by the UK and accepted by the EU I don't think it's material but the High Court of Justice has just declared that the winning side in the referendum breached spending limits and collaboration laws.
The whole thing stinks.
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We're four years from the day when we unwittingly chose our road out of the European Union.
Scotland's former newspaper of record has chosen to mark this milestone by wandering the streets shouting at strangers whilst stripped to the waist.
The document on which the front page splash is based is worth anyone's lunchtime to read.
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These are the regulations which will shortly govern our travel to those areas we formerly accessed by right;
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2018:236:FULL&from=EN
Truly the gift that keeps on giving.
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I'm pretty clear that this ongoing sense of powerlessness in the face of destructive political lunacy, plus rage, plus anxiety shading into real fear, has seriously impacted my mental health over the past year and a half.
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@unhurt - time for a therapeutic satire "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the B
ombrexit"?Still, "we'll always have Paris". No, wait, maybe we won't...
Can I offer you some scuba training? Nothing like putting oneself in an environment that is incompatible with human life to put everyday cares out of one's mind.
Hmm, perhaps that's not the best pitch...
Robert
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@unhurt
You won't be alone there. They are torturing people.
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@IWRATS, "Scottish Business UK founder Robert Kilgour, an investor and former care home operator"...
His profile here reveals, amongst other things, the following:
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Robert was educated at Loretto School and the University of Stirling (where he was Treasurer of the Students Union) and he stood as a Conservative Westminster Parliamentary Candidate against Lord (George) Robertson (recent Secretary-General of Nato) in the 1997 General Election in Hamilton South.
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He also seems to be a millionaire. I would imagine his interests are not quite shared with those of ordinary folk, nor with those of his minimum wage care home worker employees.
Also: "Former Conservative MEP Struan Stevenson, the campaign group’s chief executive"
So it's basically an arm of the Conservative & Unionist Party.
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@crowriver
I'll wager a penny to a pound he knows Richard Cook of the CRC.
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Theresa May has tried to threaten EU leaders over dinner at a special summit in Salzburg by telling them the UK would not seek to delay Brexit, prompting European leaders to warn that the two sides remained far apart on trade and the Irish border despite months of negotiations.
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This whole thing shines some very bright lights into some dark corners. The UK of GB&NI has of course three separate legal systems, two parliaments and two legislative assemblies, two nations, a principality and a province with a joint sovereignty agreement with a neighbouring state that used to be a nation of the UK of GB&I and is still part of a common travel area and whose citizens can vote in the UK, fourteen overseas territories and three Crown dependencies but two customs territories? Clearly a step too far.
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“Our White Paper remains the only serious and credible proposition on the table for achieving that objective.”
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Good news. Now the Chequer's deal is rejected that should save a vote in Wm.
On STV Scotland Tonight they wheeled out Scotland's lone media friendly Brexiteer - Tom Harris. I'm amazed how often he's on telling Scots that they voted to stay in UKEU and should just stay quiet and let the professional comedians take control.
He said he thinks the EU's interest in finding ways of not making the Irish Border frictionless is part of negotiating stance.
I found that quite offensive. Kirsty Hughes tried to put him right but he was serious.This morning had an Irish politician on confirming that the tory politicians that came on a visit recently knew nothing about Ireland. (Or anything else?)
So will there be a vote. No deal or No, no deal?
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Good summary -
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Tamara Cohen (@tamcohen)
21/09/2018, 8:19 am
May ally James Brokenshire insisting on r4 that move towards Norway-style deal is “not what people voted for”; Canada-style would “break up the united kingdom” and claiming Chequers still "credible"“
https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1043037071101714432?s=21
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Nevertheless, on her flight back to London, May might have wondered briefly why her pleadings had not led to any watering-down of the EU’s negotiating position.
The most obvious reason is that Barnier’s mandate comes from the heads of government themselves. He is doing precisely what they have made clear they want him to do. He is carrying out their wishes calmly and effectively. The process of formulating the EU’s position on Brexit has from the beginning been exceptionally open and intensive.
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The basic question remains -
Does UKGOV really want a hard Brexit or are Ministers just stupid?
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It is my sincere belief that these people are literally blinded by nationalism.
Having pulled the pin out of the Brexit grenade they believe the UK of GB&NI to be so wonderful that the grenade will decline to explode, dazzled by their self-evident greatness.
Some people want the pin put back in, some of us are looking to get out of the blast zone.
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