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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 3 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from Nelly

  1. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The Grauniad's hamming it up a bit, but all the same. Minister for food security. In peacetime. In the European Union.

    And to put that in context the Trussel Trust gave out 1.3 million three-day emergency food packs last financial year with about a third of those going to children. In peacetime. In the European Union.

    EDIT:

    On the other hand, people who had never experienced a collapsed state were slow to appreciate a state that had not yet collapsed.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    From link -

    UK appoints food supplies minister amid fears of no-deal Brexit

    MP David Rutley, an ex-Asda and PepsiCo executive, will oversee protection of supplies

    All fine then.

    What about overseas protection??

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  3. chdot
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  4. bax
    Member

    i'm beginning to think the whole thing is a scam, and we aren't leaving the eu at all, but just colluding to recalibrate the uk economy down down and down after all the pseudo boom boom boom

    that said, its noteworthy the cops got a 6.5% pay rise this week

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  5. chdot
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  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Q: How do you make God laugh?

    A: Tell Her your plans for the future.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  7. crowriver
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  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    'We fought for peace on our continent' declares fifty one year old man.

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    I suppose this is the diplomatic equivalent of slashing your partner's car tyres and wandering around topless shouting at strangers. No way back.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  9. chdot
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  10. chdot
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    Toomas Hendrik Ilves, Estonia’s former president, criticised Mr Hunt’s words in a series of withering tweets. “I used to think foreign ministers were the smartest people in democratic governments,” he wrote. However, while serving as Estonia’s foreign minister “I realised then that most of my colleagues from parliamentary democracies were either the head of the junior coalition partner (with little interest in foreign policy) or a crony/competitor of the PM.”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-will-not-bully-uk-into-signing-one-sided-deal-raab-says-1.3647599?mode=amp

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  11. unhurt
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  12. chdot
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    Believe or not, conspiracy theories or not (no idea) -

    https://mobile.twitter.com/J_amesp/status/1046828583484821504

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  13. LaidBack
    Member

    @chdot Tweet by James Patrick is more or less what I suspect.
    The Chequers deal is designed to fail -in fact it only exists in the world of our supine media. Special mention to STV Tonight for whittering on about it with Boris fanboy Ross Thomson.
    Glaikit viewers of this and Tom Bradby show might think there is some actual debate going on in Tory circles. There isn't.
    Boris's role is to rant against this dead duck proposal to make it seem that it's a real thing and the negotiation is still on. Both sides of party will be happy with no deal - this protects shady London money.

    In other news...
    AUOB event on this Saturday. This event will not be covered by general media. HES have banned The event decamping on Holyrood Park - which normally would be a story. The BBC didn't even mention road closures for last one.
    Imagine living in country where road closures aren't mentioned if caused by people supporting the preservation of that country's own parliament.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  14. chdot
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    One of Scotland’s leading academics has called Brexit “the most unhinged example of national self-sabotage in living memory”.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16955821.brexit-the-most-unhinged-example-of-national-self-sabotage-in-living-memory/

    Posted 1 week ago #
  15. LaidBack
    Member

    With talk of SNP being 'not hostile' to another EU referendum I do wonder if the Scotland vote could ever overturn the 'will of the English and Welsh' people enough to settle the matter. In many ways the entry of a solely Scottish party into the debate is likely to be viewed with hostility from the media in London. Channel Four is already getting in a froth over the possibility of disruption in Westminster.

    If we were in a real union then the views of Scotland and N Ireland would already have been put into the mix rather than shunned.

    The (unlikley) prospect of the votes of the Scottish electorate thwarting the (mainly) right wingers down south would solve noting of course. Imagine the outrage of a Brexit reversal (currently being ruled on in the ECJ thanks to Alyn Smith and others from all parties - except Tory)

    In the end it's pretty obvious we are in a different country politically and I don't think it's going to converge totally with the views of many down south. As remarked before it would be much easier if moderates there started swaying opinion back into staying in CU and SM at least (as suggested two years ago).
    The question of increased self governance for Scotland would then be easier too.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  16. chdot
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    The disaffection that fuelled Brexit was strongest in forgotten, decaying towns, writes Paris Gourtsoyannis.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/paris-gourtsoyannis-how-potholes-helped-cause-brexit-1-4811803

    Posted 1 week ago #
  17. Tulyar
    Member

    Here us a glorious 'owning' of a budding young Tory getting it all wrong about why we need to get out of following the EU rules on immigration .... only to be soundly schooled by 'Femi' who points out that it is the UK who have already opted NOT to follow the EU policy on immigration, and that the EU policy has all of the features that the Brexiteers have been demanding/proposing for the UK policy on immigration ...once we leave the EU!

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1048830278205100032

    He baits the trap and .....

    Posted 1 week ago #
  18. LaidBack
    Member

    Robert Peston always worth reading on twitter.

    @Peston

    "Tell me what you think about @bbcquestiontime having only ever booked MEPs who either hold European Parliament in contempt or wish to leave it and EU (ie only UKIP and Hannam). Does this reflect nation's contempt for European Parliament or did it encourage that contempt? https://t.co/2St7ndHfmu"

    Link confirms that the state broadcaster asked UKIP MEPs (Farage & Nutall) to appear 33 times and Tory MEPs twice.
    None from other parties so QT viewers never had any exposure to pro EU MEPs.

    Just watched him on the Tom Bradby show trying to contain his mirth and bafflement at the fudge on the Irish border to get DUP on board. UKGov propose the 'backstop / checks at the ports and airports', will be time limited. As this is an insurance policy to deal with 'events' this will not wash with EU.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Her Majesty's Government are recruiting 'Resilience Advisors' in case their flagship policy causes 'major local or national emergencies' in England.

    This is not a drill.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  20. LaidBack
    Member

    @Peston

    This is either a small Keynesian stimulus in low-growth economy (M26 closed overnight for a month for building work to turn it into lorry park), preparing for an event (no-deal Brexit) that will never happen. Or the mother of all messes.

    (!)

    Posted 5 days ago #
  21. chdot
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    THE man who wrote the European Union’s now infamous Article 50 has warned prejudiced “short-sighted Little Englanders” are hemming in Scotland.

    Former diplomat John Kerr - who devised the mechanism under which Britain is set to leave the bloc next year- has been campaigning for a second referendum on Brexit, the People’s Vote.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16974604.lord-kerr-prejudiced-little-englanders-are-hemming-scotland-in

    Posted 5 days ago #
  22. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Incendiary language there from Mr Kerr. Not sure many people would get away with saying that about the desire evident in the Brexit campaign and vote for greater recognition of England as a nation or state.

    He goes on 'Scots of all parties and none should rally behind the People's Vote cause.'

    And why not? I'm all in favour of voting on things as often as is needed. But what if the result is the same as last time? What do we Scots of all parties and none do then exactly?

    What would it even mean to be Scots if we let others take a decision of this magnitude for us?

    Posted 5 days ago #
  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    And always useful to remind ourselves of the UK parliament's definition of 'consent' by the Scottish parliament;

    (4)For the purposes of subsection (3) a consent decision is—
    (a)a decision to agree a motion consenting to the laying of the draft,
    (b)a decision not to agree a motion consenting to the laying of the draft, or
    (c)a decision to agree a motion refusing to consent to the laying of the draft;

    Say 'yes', say 'no' or keep your mouth shut. Whatever.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  24. Roibeard
    Member

    @IwratS - to be precise, that's the definition of a "consent decision". Such a decision is required prior to Westminster's consideration, but (as is clear) that's purely a procedural issue that doesn't impact upon Westminster's consideration.

    None-the-less, I'm amazed that this clause isn't widely reported (or maybe it is, but only in nationalist circles)!

    Robert

    Posted 5 days ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Roibeard

    That's useful precision, thanks. I don't think this clause is widely circulated amongst Scottish self-government enthusiast or anywhere.

    It is quite extraordinary. To my mind anyway.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    “It won’t change my mind, but I understand why it would change so many others, because there is no good Brexit, there is no jobs-first Brexit.”

    Given that 'jobs-first Brexit' is the official policy of the Labour party can there be any conclusion other than that she is angling to be expelled? Great publicity I suppose.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  28. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    No plan and little planning, oodles of PPE tutorial level plausible bullshit, supreme self confidence that we understand others’ real interests better than they do

    Former Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the European Union from 2013 until 2017. Withering heights.

    Posted 4 days ago #
  29. LaidBack
    Member

    The FM said something today but for some reason Channel 4 News didn't report it. Must have been not up to their standards.
    I hope @peston on ITV does at least mention it.
    This tweet about the Irish situation caught my eye.
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1045782711816708096.html

    Posted 1 day ago #
  30. Nelly
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