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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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From a continental perspective Scotland is not a factor in this - other than being to small to have enough influence on the UK to remain?
If only we had allowed EU nationals to vote in this, as we did for the Indy ref! That time many voted to keep us in the 300 year old union with our island neighbours and they would have obviously voted 'the right way' to stay aligned with EU.
What was Cameron thinking of when he didn't let them vote?! I thought the whole idea was to allow a referendum but to get the 'right' result!
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"What was Cameron thinking...?"
He wasn't.
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<< LUXEMBOURG (Reuters) - Judges at the European Union’s highest court will hear a case on the Brexit process on Nov. 27, reviewing whether Britain could unilaterally withdraw its decision to leave the EU, the Court of Justice said in a statement on Wednesday.
The case was raised to the Luxembourg justices by a Scottish court, where politicians opposed to Brexit asked for a ruling to clarify the interpretation of Article 50 of the EU treaty, under which London last year gave two years’ notice of its departure.
No other member state has ever left the 60-year-old bloc.>>
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Dominic Raab has just learned that Britain is an island close to France.
“Speaking at an event for tech firms, Mr Raab said Theresa May was pursuing a future trade deal that recognised the “peculiar geographic economic entity” of the UK, as an island.
“I hadn’t quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing,”Posted 6 years ago # -
@Stickman
I am convinced that we are governed by a class which rarely leaves central London and considers money to have a more concrete reality than physical objects like seas, machines, trees and earth.
They are literally extraterrestrials.
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This thing is so mad I can't explain it.
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Minor point, but I didn't understand this bit:
"The SNP’s Joanna Cherry, the only MP to remain in the group after warnings from the government that the action was breaching parliamentary privilege"
She was always the only MP in the group, wasn't she?
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The Lib Dem Christine Jardine dropped out I believe.
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Thanks!
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The issue around parliamentary privilege is to do with the separation of powers between the judiciary and legislature. The UK Government considers that only the UK Parliament can decide what legal advice it needs when considering legislation. It considers the action taken by the group of Scottish parliamentarians, which seeks to obtain an opinion on whether the UK Parliament could withdraw Article 50, to infringe on Parliamentary sovereignty.
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@Morningsider
I love the smell of absolutism in the morning.
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So we have a strange and, to the best of my knowledge, unprecedented situation. A group of people who are passionate and uncompromising advocates of a fundamental economic and geo-political shift for a nation don’t actually know much about what it means in practice, and have very little interest in delivering it. It is political irresponsibility on a wanton, scandalous scale.
Ironically, though, it is just this ignorance and irresponsibility that Theresa May will gamble on in what I suspect we will see next week: an attempt to play on the fact that her MPs don’t really grasp or care about the detail to get her deal through. If that’s right – and, if so, I’ll write about next week – that will be an even greater irresponsibility, as it will set the stage for years of political infighting, strategic drift and economic decline as the meaning and implications of her deal unfold and unwind
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http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2018/11/ignorance-and-irresponsibility-continue.html
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(pst @Iwrats' link is non-functional)
Admin edit:
Just fixed.
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I believe it should be for this Telegraph article.
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Wow! May is going to need therapy after all this is over (if it ever is)
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ta @chdot & @Frenchy
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a choice between two deeply unattractive outcomes, vassalage and chaos
As everyone has been saying for a year. No infrastructure, no software, no new employees or training for the current ones. No laws in place. Just a bunch of upper class dilettantes winging it.
Of which he is one. A posh boy did it and ran away. That's what my grandad said about WWII. Bunch of moneyed onanists played at war, got captured at Dunkirk and left him and his mates to sort it out.
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Scotland's Supreme Court decided to hand over case to European Court of Justice - not heard much about this other than via sm. Surely quite an important decision.
Joanna Cherry QC MP
@joannaccherry
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Nov 8
Delighted to advise Scotland’s Supreme Court has refused UK Govt leave to appeal to U.K. Supreme Court so case on unilateral revocability of #Article50 case will proceed before #CJEU in #Luxembourg on 27 November #Brexit #peoplesvote #FBPEPosted 6 years ago # -
From that Herald article;
At risk too are moves to protect the hen harrier which is said to be heading to the brink of extinction.
Hen harriers are being shot. Nothing to do with the EU.
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Labour even more sidelined by JoJo?
Looks like more weeks of ‘excitement’
On Remembrance Day: ‘it’ll all be over by Christmas’.
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Dugdale’s decision to vote in support of another referendum shows how different things would have been had she not been hounded out of office by Corbynistas.
Scottish Labour would have found itself, for the first time in a long time, standing with the majority. It appears that Leonard’s Scottish Labour exists to assist Jeremy Corbyn in his project to reshape his party rather than to fight on behalf of the weakest in society.
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People seem to be accepting that HMG's present course is a disgraceful and humiliating mess.
They seem to be less accepting of the fact that chaotic exit from the EU in 138 days is the automatic default alternative approved by that same government.
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History teaches us that bad things happen to well-meaning, essentially decent people. The lesson of the 100th anniversary of the first World War is that terrible things happen to ordinary countries who neither desired nor deserved what happened next.
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not paid much attention to tory pish of late, however
is there anything imminently upcoming that means i might delay buying euros right now
will be in deutschland quite a lot in late nov and much of dec
asking for a friend, hic
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