McVey gone too. Tory infighting for last 3 years and he lack of a credible opposition making country a laughing stock.
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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The EU have produced a digested read on their arrangements for Northern Ireland;
The UK of GB&NI has never been normal but it is increasingly abnormal.
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Former physicist now writing about wider matters but retaining admirable clarity from previous role;
https://thecommongreen.scot/2018/11/15/as-many-as-are-agreed/
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Amber Rudd is back.
She is very low on my list of people I'd want to go for a ruby with.
Any minute now I expect the walls to ooze blood, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
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At this point I think I'd welcome Gozer the Destructor as PM.
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May is digging in. This is taking zombie government to new depths. Amber Rudd re-animated. Liam Fox and Gove express support. And so the 'great British public' may start to warm to this story of one woman surviving against the odds. (This narrative may not resonate in your region/country.)
As expected the deal will be force fed to parliament. As the joint Labour, LibDem and SNP letter to May said, there should be ammendments to the draft deal.
There will be some of course, but from the other EU 27 as they look over the 500+ pages!
That though is the battle she knows the Tories will rally behind and could even give an excuse to get nasty. The most important thing is to have this deal first. From there it can be used to see off the seemingly disorganised hard Brexit side of her party and highlight the powerlessness of the opposition. It might not work but who knows.
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“it can be used to see off the seemingly disorganised hard Brexit side of her party and highlight the powerlessness of the opposition. It might not work but who knows.”
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Her efforts came after the number of backbenchers calling publicly for a no-confidence vote in May’s leadership increased to 23. Rebellious MPs said they were confident of reaching the required threshold of 48 letters to Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of the party’s 1922 Committee.
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Meanwhile
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Brexit is just the larval form of something so horrible it won't show up in photographs. The people who have got us here won't stop now. Their plan is to exterminate classical liberalism of which the EU is perhaps a bureaucratic paradigm.
My hostages to fortune;
1) In response to a customs check on a milk tanker King Charles III will invite Tommy Robinson and Prince Harry to lead an invasion of Ireland by the British army backed up by a militia composed of football hooligans.
2) A new Act of Union declaring the unitary Christian Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. One people, one law.
3) Repeal of the Representation of the People Acts 1918 onwards.
4) The Muslim population of the north of England to be interned in the Hebrides awaiting deportation.
5) A new week added to Strictly Come Dancing where the contestants perform in the style of their choice to 'Jerusalem' while dressed in full medieval armour. This will be broadcast from the St George's Ballroom built on the site of the Dublin General Post Office.
6) Cycling to become widespread as motor transport is reserved to those qualifying to vote under the new property- and racial purity-based electoral laws.Posted 6 years ago # -
I think BSL expresses the situation accurately:
https://twitter.com/Pottell/status/1063057301635059717
Robert
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They could surely make an exception to let them be used on Boris Johnson, to flush him out of London and along the roads to the south coast, thence into the Channel?
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Maybe the rest of the hard core brexiteers is should stand beside him.
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I know it's profoundly depressing but the signs of T May being the 'reasonable voice' are noticable in the media.
Her main unspoken points:
1.This is the Brexit deal you deserve - it's confusing - just like the vote
2.Corbyn as pm is worse than my deal
3.Only I can see off a Scottish Indyref
4.Public are tired of referendums - voters will be poorer but wiser. Lessons learned.
5.Rich people need not worry
6.The DUP can now go their own way as have played all their cards.**
7.Hard line Brexiteers have no plans anyway
8.Only the Tory party can be its own true opposition
9.If my deal wins then the Tory extreme right wing will know their limits along with other lesser political views
10.If a no deal wins then Tories are best at dealing with what will follow.
** DUP voted against budget ammendment tonight and abstained on other items. So got that wrong
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In any other walk of life if a group of powerful people deliberately put a weaker group in a position where they only had the choice of doing what the powerful group wanted or being horribly hurt the weaker group would accuse the powerful group of bullying or extortion.
I don't quite know what the word would be for anyone who blamed the weaker group for the situation or argued that the situation wasn't of the powerful group's making.
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@iwrats and others.
It's hard to keep hopeful - Nicola goes to London today with proposals to add in single market membership along with that of CU. So even closer to being in the EU without being in it. Doubt England would warm to that - maybe idea is really to bolster second EU vote?
CBI and EU would rather UK just got on with current proposal - rubbish as it is for Scotland. In fact it's actually like the offering you would get if your country had been thrown out of the EU.Channel 4 asked three leading ad agencies to sell the concept of Britain last night. Results were very funny. All had Union flag type logos. Harry Potter riding on a Dyson and a black Elizabeth First with a gold medal. Non of these had any Scottish elements - just like the brexit deal.
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Perhaps there should be a referendum in England about whether people wanted Scotland, NI and (perhaps) Wales to be part of
EnglandBritain.Posted 6 years ago # -
“Non of these had any Scottish elements - just like the brexit deal.”
Actually you are incorrect there.
The Union Flag does have “Scottish elements” - most people forget...
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@chdot
The Union flag also includes a flag for the island of Ireland. When they were filming Outlander last year they had the pre-1800 Union flag flying and it took me a while to figure out what was 'wrong' with it.
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"Harry Potter riding on a Dyson"
I propose they be renamed "Brexit-Hoovers" in the hope that it annoys Dyson.Posted 6 years ago # -
Indeed
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"the Union flag shall be azure, the crosses-saltires of St. Andrew and St. Patrick quartered per saltire counter changed argent and gules; the latter fimbriated of the second [viz., argent]; surmounted by the cross of St. George of the third [viz., gules], fimbriated as the saltire [viz., argent]."
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack#Union_Flag_variants_1606–1801
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I like it when wee nooks of industry develop their own weird communication-forms. Which came first? The bits at the end of the Fallopian tubes or a thin border on a flag or crest?
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What we need is a gules, argent and azure Brexit.
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Mrs LB is sure that the St Georges cross on the union flag is getting larger as every day passes.
Newsflash Government appeal to UK Supreme Court not allowed. Case will be heard at ECJ as referred by Scottish Supreme Court.
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@chdot - well presented Venn diagram - and room for Dominic Raab too!
From Wiki - The Commissioners' flag, a plain White Ensign with a pre-1801 Union Flag in the canton, defaced with a blue lighthouse in the fly, is the only British flag still in use which incorporates the pre-1801 Union Flag. This flag is only flown from vessels with Commissioners aboard.
The Board HQ flies the Commissioners' flag, alongside the Saltire and the Isle of Man flag.
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The Telegraph has gone mad and awarded Scotland not just EU membership but an extension to Argyll and Lochaber in the shape of Northern Ireland.....
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Brilliant.
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Oh my. That's some glorious wrongness!
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That's some glorious wrongness!
No. Shetland and Orkney are correctly placed. And the map is still there. No one's told them. Or they don't care.
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