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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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She'd sound much more natural if she just said that the disruption to trade was worth having fewer foreigners around.
That's what seems to animate her: dislike of outsiders. And there's no shortage of people who feel the same way.
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“dislike of outsiders”
She probably dislikes some people inside HoC more than any outsiders!
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I've come to the conclusion that Mrs May is little more than a Home Counties racist.
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US channel CNN actually spoke to people in the street. This is currently trending on twitter sphere. The odd thing is that the views are actually what I hear.
Erin McLaughlin
@ErinCNNIn Glasgow, Scotland, people are fuming about #brexit. The most common words from our interviews- "ignored","independence" and words I shall not type on twitter ;). There's little support for Theresa May's deal and signs of a new problem on the horizon.
2:04@PS (@SRD)
Rees-Mogg does racism mixed in with class overtones.
Jacob Rees-Mogg calls Mark Carney a 'failed-second tier politician'
Jacob Rees-Mogg has launched a personal attack on the Bank of England Governor Mark Carney, saying he should not have been in the post for some time.
He told BBC News that Mr Carney was a “second-tier Canadian politician” who "failed" to get a job at home.From BBC site - is Canada not a country we want to do business with?!
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Interesting write-up on the Great Brexit Fish Issue.
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@IWRATS: A pretty good summation of a complicated issue. However, I believe it is at least partly wrong in one respect. The author states that: "if the government did now want to confiscate existing allocations, they would fall foul of international property law - thus necessitating lengthy litigation and compensation." According to this article the UK government has in the past re-allocated unused quotas from large-scale operators to smaller vessels. The big operators took the government to court - and lost.
An article in The Guardian from June this year was making much the same points. In fact John Lichfield's piece was basically a re-working of his April 2018 article on the same subject, which was in turn referenced by this article which was specifically critical of Farage's cynical and dishonest exploitation of fishermen during and after the referendum campaign. (That's the Farage who attended just one out of the forty-two meetings of the European Parliament's fisheries committee during the three years that he was a member, and who declined to - or perhaps wasn't around to - express an opinion in three major votes in favour of improving the Common Fisheries Policy.)
This stuff isn't "news" in the sense of brand new information. However, it might qualify as "news" to many people, given the small number of people who were previously aware of it, despite it being freely available to anyone who chose to seek it out. It's likely that the emotive nature of the subject (as alluded to in the article you linked to) in conjunction with wave after wave of misinformation on the subject from the Leave camp, is sufficient explanation for the more nuanced analysis being below most people's radar.
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@ejstubbs
Thanks - interesting. I can see a used and an unused quota being very different things, though I struggle to see how either could reasonably (rather than legally) be private property.
One thing I worry about: Are the studious kinds of people capable of maintaining basic knowledge of the frameworks of our society (biological, moral, engineering, military, legal, commercial, educational and so on) now incapable of showing sufficient bravado and easy charm to be elected to the positions requiring this knowledge?
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@ejstubbs and @IWRATS, see Gramsci on hegemony, fascism's support from "ordinary people", and "common sense". He analysed the failure of the Left in Italy from his prison cell in terms which are particularly pertinent in our era of populism.
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Tuesday 18th (apparently)
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First indication that a new alternative hell lies at hand: one where the UK of GB&NI informs the EU that it no longer wishes to leave that organisation.
The Attorney General thinks they can do this as long as;
1) The withdrawal agreement is not yet formally concluded
2) It's done in accordance with their constitutional requirements
3) It's formally notified to the European Council and
4) It does not involve an abusive practiceIWRATS predicts;
1) The British will race to conclude the withdrawal agreement by all means possible
2) There will be a huge argument about what constitutes the UK of GB&NI's 'constitutional requirements'
3) There will come a time when they've left it so late that exercising this option will constitute an 'abusive practice'.
4) If the option is exercised then a situation will exist where a small child could organise a successful fascist party in England simply by joining the throbbing luminous dots.Posted 5 years ago # -
So - early indication from senior judge at ECJ is that 'Scottish Case' has possibly won. This means that there is a third choice of 'lets call the whole thing off'.
The north of island is proving to be a nuisance as usual!Posted 5 years ago # -
If the UK of GB&NI leaving the EU was a surgical operation we now seem to be at the stage where the floor is awash with blood and viscera and all the people with knives are claiming not to be surgeons and looking at their watches. The patient is waking up and trying vainly to scoop their innards back in.
What would CCErs do now were they prime minister?
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This PM or the next one??
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The prime minister of the UK of GB&NI right now, today.
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Go to the winchester and wait for all this to blow over.
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What would CCErs do now were they prime minister?
Apologise for, and try to reverse, all my cock-ups (whether unintentional or deliberate) while Home Secretary and PM and hang my head in shame?
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“while Home Secretary and PM”
Which of course is a strong indicator of the problem of ‘why we are where we are’.
I’m sure in ‘previous generations’ (perhaps about 10 years ago) the emerging knowledge of what she actually did at the HO would mean she would be barred from public office for ever.
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@iwrats - if I was PM I would have flushed out the extreme right by working with devolved admins in Scotland, Wales (+ all party dialogue in N. Ireland) in return for support to meet the needs of all parts of the islands and not just Tory donors.
One counter view is that the 'neoliberals' who support remain are the very people that encouraged the Brexit vote in England.
From left of centre Cat Boyd article in National - "Right now, we're being puppeteered by the perpetrators of Iraq and austerity, the very people who plunged Britain into this dark age in the first place."On a brighter note :-)
From Independent.
Brexit: Leave ‘very likely’ won EU referendum due to illegal overspending, says Oxford professor’s evidence to High Court
Exclusive: Analysis finds adverts reached ‘tens of millions of people’ in crucial days after spending limit breached – enough to change the outcome
It is “very likely” that the UK voted for Brexit because of illegal overspending by the Vote Leave campaign, according to an Oxford professor’s evidence to the High Court.
An exhaustive analysis of the campaign’s digital strategy concludes it reached “tens of millions of people” in its last crucial days, after its spending limit had been breached – enough to change the outcome.
The evidence will be put to the High Court on Friday, in a landmark case that is poised to rule within weeks whether the referendum result should be declared void because the law was broken.
Professor Philip Howard, director of the Oxford Internet Institute, at the university, said: “My professional opinion is that it is very likely that the excessive spending by Vote Leave altered the result of the referendum.
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Interesting that CCE - home to many highly intelligent and forthright people - has not come up with a proposed course of action for a notional prime minister other than not getting in this mess in the first place.
Thrilling to think we may be just months away from a mass revival of active travel though.
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If you want to be Machiavellian about it (and who doesn't want that?) I as PM would be carrying on in the same chaotic way on the surface whilst quietly preparing behind the scenes to call the whole thing off. In fact, upping the sh*t stirring to make it seem absolutely intractable would make an eventual reversal look like the reasonable thing to do. And then I would step down and opt for a quiet retirement.
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And then I would step down and opt for a quiet retirement.
I think one of the drawbacks of this sensible plan is that the political class know that the person who actually revokes Article 50 will then inevitably be assassinated. You'd need to be a real selfless patriot to do it.
Even the war hero De Gaulle got gunmen on his tail for letting Algeria go.
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If I had been PM over the last 2 years I’d have had a nervous breakdown - not least because I would have spectacularly failed with this.
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New PM vows to look after the interests of the many rather than just 'the privileged few'“
So, TMay is clearly highly devious and almost certainly working towards minimal/no Brexit.
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It's hard to write a sensible proposition for it (i.e. without beginning "1: scoop own brain out of own skull in horror at finding onesself a member of the conservative party") but OK...]
2: Replace brain
3: Tattoo "speak like a normal non-politician person" onto both wrists.
4: Clearly and publicly say "the chief proponents of Leave are a bunch of lying scumbags - look, they said this: #### whereas the case in fact is this: @@@@".
5: Continue "Recognising that the populace was deceived and that the outcome of the referendum they were deceived about only ever said "SHOULD" and not "MUST AND SHALL" and that it has been entirely the choice of we, the dingbats in purported charge, to commit to the process despite the mechanics thereof being unknown and unclear from the outset, I propose an immediate cessation of the process."
6: If there is not a legal mechanism for instigating criminal proceedings against the liars of the Leave campaign, make sure there is one in future, such that it becomes an imprisonable offence to paint lies on buses.
7: Apologise to the entire EU (including us, still within it) for wasting its time.
8: Reform the UK electoral system.Whilst your legs might get a bit wobbly during the admitting-the-truth bit you'd feel better for it afterwards.
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Wingpig to body snatch current PM?
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UKIP: Scottish leader David Coburn quits over 'extremism'
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481637
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"...body snatch..."
If you ever find yourself suddenly inhabiting someone else's body then the correct response is to look around in sudden bewilderment then say "hhOh boy" in Scott Bakula's voice.
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wingpig's nailed it. The only way out of this with any sort of credibility is to commit to a reform of the UK's electoral system, which is at the root of the whole sorry problem and has been demonstrably not fit for purpose throughout the past 30 months. However, it's in neither the Conservative nor the Labour Party's immediate political interests.
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@wingpig
This looks reasonable from some internal perspectives. I fear point 7. would require national yubitsume to be effective.
I do believe that the person who took this course of action would be at real and imminent danger of assassination. Fantasies have been pandered to and real grievances ignored for too long.
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