Oh I don't expect him to be prosecuted. I expect him to be watched.
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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Wot u think GCHQ does?
(They will have noted your previous post.)
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-divided-britain-faces-a-no-deal-brexit-a-1248726.html
"Brexit, Theresa May said, was to be "a moment of renewal and reconciliation for our whole country." She could hardly have been more wrong. The referendum -- a plebiscite that decided nothing -- has quietly eaten away at the country from inside. And its dogmatic, egomaniacal, petty politicians simply looked on while it happened. The United Kingdom, a country so proud of its exemplary democracy, has willfully transformed itself into a laughing stock."
Brutal but I think accurate.
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Accurate I'd say apart from this bit: The referendum has quietly eaten away at the country from inside. IMO the UK has been quietly eaten away from the inside ever since the post-war consensus was unceremoniously dismantled in the late 1970s and nothing but the supremacy of individual self-interest was left in its place.
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a country so proud of its exemplary democracy
No. A thousand times no. The UK has been stable precisely because its governance involves so little democracy.
Now our oligarchy/autocracy has met its match.
If democracy saves the day that will be a new and startling development.
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I read that as "(self-belief in its supposed) exemplary democracy" - implication of self delusion seemed obvious.
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The advice is being issued because in the event of a no-deal Brexit it will become impossible to exchange your UK driving licence for a local one without re-taking your driving test – a potentially expensive and difficult experience.
If taking the driving test for the country you're living in is "difficult", I'd suggest that you shouldn't be driving there in the first place.
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Comedy & tragedy -
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P&O opts for Cypriot flag, Sony confirms HQ move and Pets at Home stockpiles cat food
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/no-deal-brexit-panic-grips-major-uk-firms
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Everyone else get their free Brexit magazine from Wetherspoons? An entirely normal development and nothing to be concerned about.
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Does it say they’ll be moving to Singapore?
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Dyson relocating to Singapore. Hypocrite
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Cliff-edge exit in 65 days. No stopping it now. Chaos has its own momentum.
It's like the slide to World War I except there's only one side in this war and it's about to open fire on itself while everyone else watches, horrified and transfixed.
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“No stopping it now.“
Other opinions are available.
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@IWRATS, aye, initially it went straight in the recycling, but I thought better and fished it out later: came in handy as scrap paper to stop me getting glue all over the table.
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Other opinions are available.
What do you have in mind? I can see no mechanism.
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“What do you have in mind? I can see no mechanism.”
Not going to pretend I know “the answer” or even all “the possibilities”.
At present (so experts say) the UK law say ‘March 29th out’.
SO the law has to change (that’s what MPs are for).
OR the/a deal is done.
OR something else happens.
Or hard crash.
So, 1 in 4 then.
Opinions on grey suits or white coats?
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Hard crash is the automatic consequence in international law. Only avoided by the UK of GB&NI actively choosing another outcome from the two available.
I don't see how they can agree on either, so believe Ragnarök now inked in for 23h00 on the 29th of March.
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“Only avoided by the UK of GB&NI actively choosing another outcome from the two available.”
That may be true (which are your two?)
OR a Plan C.
Presume we’re ruling out a military coup?
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i'm now right up for the final pagger
good **nts at one end of the mile
bad **nts at the other
they can have the height advantage
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Option D
(Followed by continued chaos.)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/23/general-election-unlikely-theresa-may-brexit
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“Only avoided by the UK of GB&NI actively choosing another outcome"
+ Agreement of the 27, which is less than certain given the 'the deal is done - unless you want a softer Brexit' overtones coming from EU.
The Govt won't entertain closer ties as it risks crossing the freedom of movement red line.
Parliament don't seem to want to entertain anything other than a complete renegotiation - though some Tories seem to be warming to modified current deal - which seems the only route away from the cliff at the moment.
Paul Mason news on twitter who wants the revolution seems to think Evette Cooper's amendment will pass next week, and May will call a snap election, which he thinks is a terrible idea that will lead to more chaos, though I am mildly confused as last week when his glorious commrad in arms was calling for an election he seemed enthused at the thought...
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That may be true (which are your two?)
1) Accept the EU's withdrawal agreement
2) Revoke notice of intention leave under Article 50Presume we’re ruling out a military coup?
Not at all. I don't think the London parliament will be able to decide between the two 'constitutional' options so something outside the normal order of things is about to happen - what I term Ragnarök.
The former head of MI6 and Sir Richard Dearlove and Lord Guthrie, former chief of the defence staff both publicly opposed option 1). I don't suppose they did that casually or without wider support in the ranks of spooks and soldiers.
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“I don't suppose they did that casually or without wider support in the ranks of spooks and soldiers.”
I hear what you are saying, but I think the military/‘intelligence’ axis is much less coherent than it might once have been.
It was always assumed that it might act against a Labour Gov that got too socialist and/or ‘closer to Russia’.
Harold Wilson’s paranoia was, apparently, justified.
Now there is no longer a simple left/right Lab/Tory divide/choice.
Russia may still be an ‘enemy’ but less due to simple political ideology. There are other political and environmental threats which I’m sure ‘the military’ are monitoring, but I doubt if they have a plan that a few tanks and an assassination or two would sort.
I doubt that a populist uprising would get Trump’s support, but don’t forget -
ALL THINGS ARE ON THE TABLE.
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If only the EU had it's own army...
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In a video message, Enders urged Britain’s politicians not to listen to “the Brexiteers’ madness which asserts that, because we have huge plants here, we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong”.
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http://www.cityam.com/272113/airbus-chief-blasts-brexit-disgrace-issues-dire-warning-no
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