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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. chdot
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    And at the moment I may be asked by the Labour party to row in behind a policy decision that they know, and the government knows, is going to make the people I represent poorer, and I think more fundamentally, actually, is at odds with the internationalist, social democratic values that I believe in. Because Brexit is ultimately a nativist, nostalgic, rightwing, ideological programme, that was sold on lies, that was deceitfully won, and unfortunately is going, I think, to go through. And that must beg questions for those of us who are [coming] from my perspective.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/feb/07/brexit-latest-news-developments-theresa-may-brussels-talks-corbyn-faces-backlash-from-labour-pro-europeans-after-sending-brexit-plan-to-pm-politics-live?page=with:block-5c5c4adee4b04a6f567dacfc#block-5c5c4adee4b04a6f567dacfc

    Posted 5 years ago #

  2. LaidBack
    Member

    "I hate to think what all those young voters who flocked to the party for the first time in 2017 will make of this. Vote Labour, get a Tory Brexit. They will feel they have been sold down the river.
    "This is not Opposition, it is the facilitation of a deal which will make this country poorer.
    A strong, coherent Labour alternative to this shabby, Tory Brexit is absent - it has been since this Parliament began.
    Totally demoralising."
    @ChukaUmunna

    Posted 5 years ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/07/theresa-may-juncker-clash-brexit-robush-backstop

    Posted 5 years ago #

  4. gembo
    Member

    @laidback. Lot of young people support JC. However not clear how many of them voted at all? Chuka though, he is straightforward Blairite.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  5. steveo
    Member

    Chuka when the walls fell

    Posted 5 years ago #

  6. LaidBack
    Member

    There will be a time known as post-Brexit, won't there?

    Chuka is voicing a fear that a populist Labour want to (have to?) Dyson Hoover back the 'lost' manual worker voters of northern England. To do this they have to accept Brexit.
    In Scotland the populist SNP have to do the opposite.
    Both can lose some existing leave and remain voters but gain others. They both have wings. Tories are more like a cult now with no understanding of anything outside home counties.

    The current arguments 'had to happen' sometime.
    Whether I like it or not it's most unlikely that Brexit will go back in its box for Ukania. Most trends of change are like that - even ones that you don't like.
    We can no more expect the demands of Brexit to go away than demands for Indy2 or Catalonia.
    Second factor is that we have already encouraged speculators - now they have economy in ideal state for some big money, (aka the Brexit 'big short).
    Second wave of profit can come when items go in short supply. People will pay over the odds... even for basics.

    I hope I'm wrong. EU were warming to Labour plans according to state media.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  7. chdot
    Admin

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    His aim was to win over ‘SW1A hearts and minds’ to devolve to cities, and to highlight that that any sort of successful Brexit policy must be a successful devolution policy

    “

    https://www.citymetric.com/politics/three-thoughts-andy-burnham-s-approach-devolution-4242

    Posted 5 years ago #

  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    49 days now. I have to hand it to the geniuses behind this thing. There was no way they'd ever get their political programme through the scrutiny of the press, TV, voters and parliament so they just bypassed that whole process. I now know what a dog watching a magic trick feels like.

    I'm tempted to run a sweepstakes on the date of the UK of GB&NI's first medical bankruptcy but not even I'm that cynical.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Stories of collateral damage.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The Conservative and Unionist party at work ladies and gentlemen.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  11. paulmilne
    Member

    Mark Steele in fine form:

    Who does Donald Tusk think he is?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  12. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The UK of GB&NI is an entirely normal country run by competent people with our best interests at heart.

    48 days 15 hours.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  13. chdot
    Admin

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    Theresa May could win parliament’s approval for her controversial Brexit deal in return for guaranteeing another referendum, under a new plan being drawn up by a cross-party group of MPs. The new vote would give the British people a simple choice: to confirm the decision or stay in the EU.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/09/back-theresa-may-brexit-deal-then-hold-peoples-vote-backbencher-plan

    Posted 5 years ago #

  14. minus six
    Member

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    Posted 5 years ago #

  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Only a matter of time now;

    Posted 5 years ago #

  16. Frenchy
    Member

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  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    To his Highness Charles, Prince of Wales, Lord High Steward of Scotland and the dominions thereto belonging; the Humble Petition and Advice of the Knights, Citizens and Burgesses now assembled in the Parliament of this Kingdom.

    We, the knights, citizens and burgesses in this present Parliament assembled, taking into our most serious consideration the present state of these four nations, joined and united under your Highness' protection, cannot but in the first place, with all thankfulness, acknowledge the wonderful mercy of Almighty God in delivering us from that tyranny and bondage, both in our spiritual and civil concernments, which the late prime minister and her party designed to bring us under, and pursued the effecting thereof by a long and counter-productive negotiation; and also that it hath pleased the same gracious God to preserve your person in many battles, to make you an instrument for preserving our peace, although environed with enemies abroad, and filled with turbulent, restless and unquiet spirits in our own bowels.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

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    Brexit represents an opportunity for Britain to boost its global military standing in response to the threats posed by Russia and China, the defence secretary will say in a notably combative address at a defence thinktank.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/11/brexit-uk-military-defence-gavin-williamson

    Posted 5 years ago #

  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    A moment when we must strengthen our global presence, enhance our lethality and increase our mass.

    The people governing us have gone quite mad.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  20. Frenchy
    Member

    ...I assumed you were paraphrasing.

    What the actual?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    So, 46 days 15 hours left. Who's up for a sweepstakes?

    Guess the date of the sooner of

    i) activation of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 and
    ii) the military coup

    I'll take Friday the 1st of March.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  22. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Frenchy

    It's way beyond my powers of satire now. These people's minds are crumbling in full view.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  23. gembo
    Member

    Yes, War in our time now possible

    Posted 5 years ago #

  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @gembo

    Gibraltar, Northern Ireland or the Falklands first?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  25. gembo
    Member

    Left field I am going argentine as all focus on full mess here and they will be going for the full Malvinas shortly ( Malvina also Name of JOCKY Wilson's wife. No idea why iPad insists on turning JOCKY into capitals, I am typing JOCKY in lower case)

    Posted 5 years ago #

  26. Roibeard
    Member

    @gembo - pants.

    @IwratS - not Norn Iron, because that only has Troubles, not wars...

    Robert

    Posted 5 years ago #

  27. unhurt
    Member

    The power of naming...

    Posted 5 years ago #

  28. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Imagine pressing the keys on an actual keyboard to make the words 'enhance our lethality'. Then imagine doing that in the full knowledge of the existence of RNAD Coulport.

    The man's soul must be made of obsidian. Or smoke.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  29. LaidBack
    Member

    State media spins that the May/ Corbyn Eurolackovision entry is back on agenda.

    Obviously both Tory and Labour parties would split 'a bit' if this was to happen(!)

    The big prize though is that the bored inhabitants of middle England will see this 'unity' as being in the 'national interest'. (aka' Just get on with it')
    'Rejoice type' headlines will appear in the media as the wagons circle to keep UK as a two party state with all enemies on outside. So SNP, DUP, LibDems and Green flushed to extremities.

    Much of England would be happy with this 'very British' fudge to avert a no deal.
    Also suggested that DUP style payments will be extended to Labour areas which 'feel left behind' . I like the sound of that (not).
    That though is another bit of 'brilliance' as it lets people in Scotland see again that they are living in another country politically.
    The TMBot will self terminate after a Tory/Lab vote if it actually goes through, but that is her one and only mission.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  30. gembo
    Member

    @unhurt, maybe but does not appear to work for Jacky or Jackie or Jockie, just for JOCKY ?

    Posted 5 years ago #

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