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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 9 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from LaidBack

  1. paddyirish
    Member

    The Tories propose their own bill then whip against it when it is amended very slightly. Utterly barking.

    I'm surprised the rest of Europe is putting up with this- their restraint is admirable.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. LaidBack
    Member

    @paddyirish

    Since this started I've noticed that making sudden changes in delivery schedules for our bikes are becoming more common from EU suppliers.
    I reckon they think 'the Brits' are nuts and don't know their A from E. Scotland is included of course :-)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Even with the (considerable) advantage of having no emotional attachment to the UK of GB&NI I'm now finding it hard to even think about this without breaching Rule 2.

    The worst possible people pursuing the worst possible outcome for the worst possible motives with the worst possible degree of competence is not an easy watch.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  5. Stickman
    Member

    Brexit motion on registration of EU citizens discussed in Edinburgh Council yesterday. The Tories got very angry at being made to feel different.

    https://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/368102

    Claire Miller and I used to work in the same place; while I didn’t know her well she was universally regarded as a thoroughly diligent colleague and a hugely decent person. Exceptionally pleased to to see her continue this a councillor.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. wingpig
    Member

    The unbearable in pursuit of the untenable?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. neddie
    Member

    What's the best point to cut to on that webcast, so I don't have to watch all 5 hours of it?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. Frenchy
    Member

    Item 9.8

    Cllr McVey starts at 5:15:31. Cllr Day then also speaks.
    Cllr Whyte responds at 5:19:50, followed by Cllr Doggart.
    Cllrs Miller, Macinnes and Osler are one after the other from 5:25:40.
    Councillors from various parties then speak, but I stopped listening after Cllr Cook's response to Cllr Macinnes.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

  10. amir
    Member

    Speaker rules out Brexit vote on same motion

    If only it wasn't so important, it would make an excellent soap/drama/satire/farce/tragi-comedy

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Brexit is a fabulous form of displacement – it acknowledges a profound and genuine unhappiness about how the British are governed but deflects it on to Europe.

    I'm down in London next month and I think I'll make a point of having a chat with the Brexit protesters, see who they are. If protests are still allowed, obviously.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    France’s EU minister names her cat ‘Brexit’ because ‘he meows loudly to be let out but won’t go through the door’

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-france-theresa-may-deal-nathalie-loiseau-cat-a8828026.html

    Posted 5 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    Paris, which is impatient for the EU to turn to other issues of reform rather than facing much more time bogged down in Brexit, has reiterated that it needs concrete solutions from London. France won’t back an extension unless it comes with a clear, new, credible plan which can gain majority parliament support.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/19/brexit-latest-news-bercow-speaker-theresa-may-to-chair-cabinet-as-government-responds-to-bercow-ruling-against-repeat-vote-on-deal-politics-live?page=with:block-5c91199ee4b0e8eadf780670#block-5c91199ee4b0e8eadf780670

    Posted 5 years ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    If only Ed Miliband had got that sandwich into his mouth properly.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Number 10 said the PM shared the public's "frustration" at Parliament's "failure to take a decision".

    I must say that I agree that things would be much better if our strong, decisive leader was unhindered by this fractious, divisive and unhelpful parliament.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Dear Donald.

    Formal confirmation that the prime minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is insane.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. PS
    Member

    This is absolute carnage. Surely the death throes of the United Kingdom? Its credibility is completely shot.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    “Surely the death throes of the United Kingdom?”

    Perhaps, certainly seems like a Westminster deathwish.

    Little chance of change without abolishing FPTP.

    Are bookies posting odds on which comes first IndyScot or UnitedIreland??

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The prime minister's letter to Mr Junker actually has the word 'Grimsby' in it.

    Let us dwell on that fact a moment as we contemplate the abyss.

    And now let us contemplate the Lübeck letter.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  20. paddyirish
    Member

    Tusk says EU will only grant short extension if UK approves May's deal

    May apparently going to address the Nation tonight...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    That's game over whatever happens.

    If the UK gives in under EU pressure the humiliation is total.

    If they hold out and exit the EU chaotically the UK comes apart.

    If they revoke Article 50 they get a bit of time but I could organise an English fascist party in my sleep in those circumstances.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  22. steveo
    Member

    I'm still trying to work out who is benefiting from this.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    “I'm still trying to work out who is benefiting from this.”

    Companies related to Ree Smog?

    Facebook?

    Countries were some people will/have return(ed) to?

    Storage renters?

    Eurotunnel & some companies with ships?

    NI and other places given extra money (may not outweigh ending of EU money).

    The list of those not benefiting is probably longer.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  24. Baldcyclist
    Member

    The EU have been on message on this, May's deal or nothing.

    They are gambling on May's deal.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    “They are gambling on May's deal.“

    You mean ‘gambling on May's deal passing’?

    OR, (if it doesn’t), on MPs getting their act together and (somehow) enforcing the ‘no no-deal Brexit’ they voted for.

    SpeakerB may help...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  26. Baldcyclist
    Member

    It will pass now, Labour have lost, they will vote for it. The ERG aee irrelevant now.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    “It will pass now”

    Logically you are probably right.

    But ‘logic’ hasn’t really come into it lately.

    I ‘spose Speaker will accept old motion with added extension, but wouldn’t actually put money on it!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  28. PS
    Member

    There's still the glimmer of a longer delay - it's implicit in May's letter and not specifically referenced to in Tusk's speech. But admittedly that's a long shot.

    All down to what Labour does now. God help us.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  29. paddyirish
    Member

    Nine days to go

    Ask any country “what are you doing in nine days’ time?” and it would go something like this:

    Sweden? “Same old, same old.”

    Germany? “Business as usual.”

    Belgium? “Same, but with waffles.”

    Australia? “Fighting spiders, as per.”

    Finland? “Same as always.”

    Japan? “Normal country stuff.”

    UK? “Not a [Rule 2] clue.”

    Posted 5 years ago #
  30. amir
    Member

    Could she go for a referendum on the May deal to get opposition party support? Tory party might collapse though

    Posted 5 years ago #

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