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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 8 years ago by I were right about that saddle
  • Latest reply from chdot

  1. crowriver
    Member

    "Only £2.50."

    Presumably free to just turn up outside and protest? If cycling there, even save the bus fare...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. unhurt
    Member

    I'm tempted.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin


    The continuing political mess over Brexit is a “crushing disaster” for business in Britain with investor confidence at the lowest since the financial crash a decade ago, the Confederation of British Industry’s director general has said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/16/brexit-political-mess-crushing-disaster-uk-business-cbi-chief-carolyn-fairbairn

    So, don’t leave, leave with a/the deal, leave with no deal.

    Then reset and it’ll all be alright??!

    Meanwhile nothing much at UK Gov level has been achieved in last 3 years.

    And ‘trust in politicians’ has reduced further.

    But no real appetite for anything much different apart from ‘more of the same’ - which for many people may now be even more difficult.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

  5. chdot
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  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    There are real and interesting conversations to be had about sovereignty and nationhood and cooperation and autonomy and solidarity but not with that man.

    He's just a smoke grenade thrown through the window of our democracy by people who do not care for us.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    All roads lead to horror.

    Irish journalists now clearly contemplating the prospects of bordering a failed state.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

  9. chdot
    Admin

    In the speech May said delivering Brexit had been “even harder than I anticipated”, adding: “I have tried everything I possibly can to find a way through.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/21/may-offers-mps-vote-on-second-referendum-in-new-brexit-deal

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. LaidBack
    Member

    The end of May is coming. Even the timelords can't deny that.

    Meanwhile I expect Scotland will carry on maintaining its relationship with Europe.
    (We do buy one brand of bike direct from Taiwan but we deal with manufacturers on EU mainland a lot. If there was a border at Carlisle that wouldn't be good but would expect big companies in England to continue trading just as Taiwan does. Better to have single market everywhere close by).

    Brief history of why Scotland is a European country.
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/17652796.hamish-macpherson-scotlands-always-been-for-europe/

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    It's all so awful and complicated and terrifying now. It's like they hate us and want us to suffer but only slightly more than they hate themselves and wish themselves to suffer.

    This is surely how states begin to fail, when the centre appears to be trying to make things worse, not just carelessly or for a minority, but expressly and for most people.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

  13. LaidBack
    Member

    Hope everyone will be able to use their vote. Just under two hours to go. Of course Scotland won't have results till Monday due to Western Isles count not being done on the Sabbath. Results from rUK will be in after 10pm when polls elsewhere in EU have closed.
    Some reports coming in that EU citizens are having trouble voting in some places in UK.
    Ballot box at City Chambers was very full at 5pm. Turn out up maybe?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. 14Westfield
    Member

    is there a good reason why the count cannot be made (and sealed) before Sunday?

    Or is it more than no one can be trusted not to leak results in our age of always-on smartphones!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    “Or is it more than no one can be trusted not to leak results in our age of always-on smartphones!”

    That will be a fact(or).

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. LaidBack
    Member

    Netherlands also voted today.
    Ireland/Eire and Czech Rep votes tomorrow.
    Malta, Latvia and (another part of?) Czechia Saturday.
    Rest of EU on Sunday.
    Edited as realised ITN had got info wrong.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    Queues to vote at the Norton Park Polling Place this evening, and apparently also this afternoon. I'm taking that as a good sign.

    Lots of younger folk out voting, not very many over 50s. Perhaps also a good sign?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    Ballot boxes rammed with votes in Balerno, some youngsters, one asked me should I not be wearing a helmet. I said possibly as I was being nice given she had returned from town to vote (friend of eldest daughter's who had done The same and of course drink my liquor)

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    one asked me should I not be wearing a helmet

    On safety, medical or fashion grounds?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    “or fashion grounds?”

    gembo?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

  22. acsimpson
    Member

    "On safety, medical or fashion grounds?"

    Privacy.

    If you wear one then random strangers don't feel the need to provide you with snippets from their inner monologue.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

  24. unhurt
    Member

    Ian Dunt described the podium as "The lectern of infinite crisis".

    May dreadful, replacements almost certainly worse.

    Going to be a hard few years (I try not to think too hard about the long term at times like this. 'Despair is not a strategy' and all that.)

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. crowriver
    Member

    "Live each day as though it were your last".

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    Man in helmet says

    UK will leave EU in October, deal or no deal

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/24/boris-johnson-favourite-as-uk-to-have-new-pm-by-end-of-july

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

  28. chdot
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  29. chdot
    Admin

  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The only thing we can be sure of is that things will get much worse. Much worse.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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